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Some Pregnant Women Fearful of H1N1 Vaccine

By September 29, 2009

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An article in Minneapolis Star Tribune reports on how some pregnant women are skeptical of the new H1N1 vaccine. Pregnant women are among the groups strongly advised to get the vaccine, but many women are less than thrilled about the idea of getting the shot, reporting concerns about the safety of the vaccine and possible effects for the unborn baby.

I can definitely see where they are coming from, being someone who was concerned about safety of pretty much everything when I was pregnant. And there's not much research on the safety of any type of flu vaccine during the first trimester, much less thimerosal exposure in the first trimester, although the CDC says that flu vaccination is advisable in any trimester during a pandemic. Still, there are definite risks to catching the flu during pregnancy also -- and pregnant women seem to be at higher risk of having severe complications (including death) from H1N1 flu in particular. As with most cases, all you can really do is weigh the risks and benefits of both courses of action and discuss your concerns with your doctor -- then make an informed choice on how to proceed.

What are your thoughts? Do you plan to get the H1N1 flu vaccine, especially if you are currently pregnant or hope to become pregnant in the near future? Vote here.

Given the large response and widespread linking of this post over the past few weeks, I wanted to add in some links to some more articles on this site that I thought might be helpful.

October 9, 2009 at 2:41 pm
(1) Jo says:

I got the flu vaccine (regular not H1N1) at 8 weeks pregnant. Three days later I miscarried. I am not going to get the H1N1.

October 26, 2009 at 11:07 am
(2) Regrets says:

I got both vaccines on Thursday. I was 9 weeks pregnant. I miscarried on Sunday. I was told by several doctors to get these vaccines. Now I wish I followed my gut feeling and not get them at ALL!

October 29, 2009 at 8:33 am
(3) :( says:

i work in a hospital like setting and was told ‘the benefits outweigh the risks” 1am i got the vaccine, 3am i started bleeding and craming, 3pm miscarried. you decide

October 31, 2009 at 1:29 pm
(4) sue says:

I had the H1N1 vaccination and 24 hours later had a miscarriage.

October 31, 2009 at 8:25 pm
(5) Linda Hill says:

My daughter in law was 10 weeks pregnant and had the H1N1 vaccine on Friday that night she miscarried.

November 1, 2009 at 9:58 pm
(6) Stephanie says:

I received the H1N1 over a week ago. I am now 5 weeks. I am doing well so far.

November 2, 2009 at 10:52 pm
(7) SoSorry says:

I was so ready to get the H1N1 vaccine last week and they were only giving them to pregnant women. I was 6 weeks along and got it and the next day I started cramping and miscarried. I already had two healthy pregnancies and never miscarried or had any problems. My doctors think I am crazy to think it was the H1N1 but if no one looks into this than other women will not know. I am so sorry that I got it.

November 3, 2009 at 4:30 pm
(8) Connie says:

I also received the H1N1 vaccination on October 22nd, 2009 and went into labor on October 25th, at 16 weeks pregnant and we just heard the heartbeat and everything was fine with my pregnancy on October 16th, 2009, then on October 28th my water broke then on October 29th, I delivered a stillborn baby boy, and no one can tell me why…Everyone wants to say it did not come from the shot but I believe it did. My baby was growing at the correct pace and everyone wants to brush off the vaccination. I say if you have the vaccination and suffer a miscarriage if they are able to perform an autopsy have it done.

November 3, 2009 at 4:34 pm
(9) Connie says:

I also agree something needs to be done and looked more into with this vaccination because most women are being advised it’s just something that happens, but I also had two healthy children normal pregnancies and when I received this vaccination with my third pregnancy, my baby is gone. Contact me at connie.adams@rocketmail.com

November 4, 2009 at 10:12 pm
(10) sioux falls, south dakota says:

I received the H1N1 vaccine on October 16th and started experiencing cramping on the 22nd. I was nearly 17 weeks pregnant and gave birth to a stillborn baby boy on the 23rd. Like many of the other women here, the first thing I suspected was the H1N1 vaccine. I immediately asked a nurse at the hospital if that would have anything to do with it. Without hesitation, she told me “absolutely not.” I had reservations about getting the vaccine, but followed the advice of my long trusted family doctor. In a follow up appointment with my doctor 3 days after I lost my baby, I asked him if the vaccine would have had any adverse effects on my baby. He also said that it was not possible. I don’t believe that my doctor was necessarily lying to me, he was simply following the accepted practices and opinions of his field. I do, however, believe that as a nation, we are being lied to. This vaccine is NOT safe during pregnancy. There has not been enough testing done to determine this and there are far too many “coincidences” for this to be anything but a result of a vaccine that was hastily pushed into production and distribution in an effort to stop widespread panic. I have read so many stories in defense of the vaccine that will talk about how common miscarriages are, but I would challenge you to ask ANY health care professional how common second trimester miscarriages are. My baby was doing perfect developmentally and I had felt him move earlier that day. My heart goes out to all of you out there who have had to go through the same heartache and loss that I have had in the last couple of weeks. There is no reason that any woman or family should have to go through this. Get the word out to all of the pregnant women that you know. I know that if I had heard that women had been losing their babies shortly after they received the vaccine, I would have followed my gut and not gotten it myself. Maybe then Wyatt would have had a chance at life.

November 5, 2009 at 11:51 am
(11) sue field says:

If you read the novatis or baxter pkg insert available on the web you will find that 1. there is not sufficient testing on pregnant women so they dont know how safe it is….its not recommended for children under 2 is not a fetus a child under 2? there is no conclusion on safety with breastfeeding…..

Md’s just want to scare the hell out of you for the 1% that can get very sick..If folks would just wash hands frequently, stay away from sick contacts as much as possible and take supplements and live a healthy way…you likely can avoid the flu altogether…

SOOOOO Sorry for your losses….my <3 breaks for you all

November 5, 2009 at 4:37 pm
(12) jmstork says:

I think its a fluke that those of you who got the vaccine miscarried shortly after. There are many many pregnant women whose babies are developing normally with no problems yet they still lose the baby. My sister in law is one of these people…she had a normal and perfect pregnancy, but lost her baby at 31 weeks with no explanation of why. I say discuss your concerns with your doctor, do some research, and do what is right for you. I got the H1N1 vaccine…I’m 26 weeks pregnant, and everything is fine. I’m sorry for your losses, but don’t think the vaccine is to blame. I’d much rather get vaccinated than get sick and lose my baby that way.

November 5, 2009 at 5:12 pm
(13) sandra says:

Swine Flu — One of the Most Massive Cover-ups in American History


I am 4.5 months pregnant and I will not be getting the flu vaccines!!! I am so sorry for your losses :(

November 5, 2009 at 6:00 pm
(14) Anastasia says:

To “JMSTORK” I have to say to call these other examples “flukes” is irresponsible.

By my calculations based on the statistics from this page 8 out of the 10 women miscarried following the flu vaccine. That can’t be a fluke.

I am so glad that you were not one of those unfortunate women whose baby was fine one moment and gone the next but I just have to say that to disregard their concern is irresponsible and that’s what their doctors are doing.

The CDC tells us to get vaccinated and for what? Live a wellness lifestyle, eat healthy, exercise, build your immune system and stay away from people with flu symptoms and you’ll stay healthy.

This flu has hit so many people I know, my husband included, and yet my daughter and I have avoided it just fine…. without a vaccine.

Women who are pregnant are told to follow their instincts until they want to tell their doctor “no” about a vaccine, then it’s “You don’t know what’s best for you or your unborn child”. It’s all hogwash!!

November 5, 2009 at 6:13 pm
(15) jmstork says:

I’m not disregarding the other women’s concerns. I too was leary of getting the vaccine until I did research and thoroughly discussed it with my doctors. The vaccine was the best decision for me…and I understand that it’s not for everyone. So there are 8 out of 10 on here who miscarried after having the vaccine, but I bet there are many more pregnant women who were completely fine after being given the vaccine but they just haven’t posted on here. I am terribly sorry to anyone who has lost their child, but I don’t believe that it’s the vaccine that is to blame.

I don’t typically get the flu shot each year, but with what has been going on and since I have small children in school who are exposed to others who may be sick, it was the right choice for me to get vaccinated to protect myself and my unborn child. It’s all a personal choice and I’m tired of people telling me that I was wrong for getting the vaccination…if it’s not for you then that’s fine, but it was what is right for me!

November 5, 2009 at 7:10 pm
(16) ladylove says:

I think before you start posting your comments, you need to keep in mind what these women have just gone through. Oh, and be sure to THANK YOUR LUCKY STARS you did not experience what these expectant mothers have…. These poor women have lost a CHILD, and your insensitivity isn’t helping. But I would also suggest keeping a very close eye on your pregnancy. Do you recall the “Thalidomide Tragedy” that happened between 1957-61 before it was withdrawn? Those pregnant women thought they were doing everything they could to protect their children and so many of them gave birth to children with deformities. Obviously the medical system has advanced dramatically since 1961, however, looking back at the swine flu of ’76 and the rush to vaccinate the world then, more people died of the vaccine than those who died of the flu itself. History (sadly) repeats itself, and this H1N1 Vaccine was so rushed that sufficient testing wasn’t done. There are many studies that show vaccines cause irreversible damage. Research the connections of vaccines with Guillain-Barre Syndrome, Dystonia, Spinal cord and brain inflammation etc. It’s extremely terrifying what has happened to amazingly wonderful people who were only doing what they felt they needed to, to protect their family & children. Please, just be thankful nothing happened to you or your unborn child, and pray that when that baby is born, he or she is not going to experience any lifelong effects of your choice.
I agree with you, it is very much a personal choice. But in the future do not post comments suggesting the vaccine was NOT to blame for the tragic loss of these women when you cannot possibly know that as fact. You were simply one of the lucky ones.

November 5, 2009 at 7:12 pm
(17) Beth says:

Too many women having miscarriages and still births after vaccines to say it is coincidence. The vaccine makers admit it was not tested on pregnant women. Then why they hell are they saying it’s safe? Vaccine companies are immune from legal liability, cannot be sued, because they and the government know their products are UNSAFE. PREGNANT SHOULD NOT BE GETTING VACCINATED BASED ON THE ENORMOUS READING I HAVE DONE THE PAST MONTH. It’s tragic these women are losing babies, just tragic. NO ONE SHOULD GET THIS UNTESTED VACCINE. NO ONE.

November 5, 2009 at 7:15 pm
(18) ladylove says:

I’m sorry, I need to correct one of my statements made above. The “thalidomide tragedy” was not a vaccine, but rather a drug prescribed to help pregnant women with their morning sickness. I apologize for stating it incorrectly, but I hope this clears up what I was saying. Those women trusted their doctor when they were told it was safe and had no idea what they were putting into their body would harm their baby but so many gave birth to babies with deformities.

November 5, 2009 at 7:17 pm
(19) Kasha says:

It is to be expected that some babies will survive the poisonous vaccine. But until they are all born it is hard to rule out whether they have been harmed. Vaccines have been hugely implicated in the skyrocketing cases of autism. Sometimes this is not known until the child is a few years old.

November 5, 2009 at 7:43 pm
(20) babylove says:

I’m sorry for your losses. We all want to identify patterns and connections when something goes wrong. It’s just in our DNA. I think all written here may or may not be right on — we don’t know enough about vaccines AND it’s a big jump to say that the vaccine caused a miscarriage. Reminder – miscarriages can happen whenever – regardless of past history, etc. Be gentle on yourselves and each other. Every mom is just trying to do what’s best for herself and her kiddos.

November 5, 2009 at 8:32 pm
(21) Beth says:

1,000 teens in Ireland reportedly fell extremely ill, one died, after h1n1 vaccine. Many reports of this around the world, yet our media is downplaying the dangerous side effects. Too many pregnant women losing babies. This experimental vaccine is proving far from safe.

November 5, 2009 at 9:13 pm
(22) undecided says:

I am so sorry for all of your losses! I too have had miscarriages. Right now, I am pregnant and in my first trimester. I am undecided as to whether or not to get this vaccine. I am wondering if any of you know if the vaccine you got contained thimerosal? I was thinking of getting the thimerosal free version but after everything that has been happening, I’m not sure I even want that one!

November 5, 2009 at 9:21 pm
(23) Beth says:

I’ve heard that the thirmasol free vaccine is hard to find and if the doctor says it’s thirmasol free, INSIST on reading the insert label! Many vaccine insert labels clearly read “not safe from pregnant women,” or “untested on pregnant women.” The media is scaring folks into getting this untested vaccine. I would absolutely NOT get it after all the above miscarriages. How very tragic that doctors are not intelligent enough to see the connection.

November 5, 2009 at 9:35 pm
(24) Beth says:

Reading about women in Philipines who had miscarriages after tentanus vaccine. They also become sterile. Surf the internet for this info. Vaccines have been known to cause miscarriages in the past.

November 5, 2009 at 10:38 pm
(25) Natasha says:

To anyne who is reading this, please, when you go away to research the vaccine for yourself, DO NOT ONLY ASK THE MEDICAL profession. Please try to remember that this would be the equivalent of asking a burglar where the loot is at!

Medical professionals are paid huge bonuses by the pharmaceutical industry from the moment they enter university/med school.

If we were all well and healthy all the time (as my five person family are) how would they earn a living?

That may sound like a ridiculous question, but really, cui bono?

November 5, 2009 at 11:13 pm
(26) Beth says:

For those of you who say you are “fine” after vaccine, that remains to be known until you birth your baby and see if it is autistic. There are 6 or 7 types of flu vaccines out there with varying levels of toxicity, with most inserts saying not safe for pregnant women.

November 5, 2009 at 11:33 pm
(27) Tinkerbell says:

I agree with JMSTORK. What about all the pregnant women who are fine after receiving the flu shot? And to BETH, there are still no hard facts that show autism is caused by vaccines. What you believe is your opinion but it’s not fact.

November 5, 2009 at 11:44 pm
(28) jmstork says:

THANK YOU Tinkerbell! I am in no way being unsympathetic to those who have lost a child, but you can’t state for a fact that it was the vaccine that caused the miscarriages…and I’m not stating for a fact that it wasn’t. I just know that there are plenty of women out there who have gotten the vaccine and are fine.

November 6, 2009 at 12:01 am
(29) Questioning says:

Just because some women don’t experience a miscarriage doesn’t mean it can’t cause a miscarriage for others. The timing of these losses for all these women is too great to dismiss. It is very possible that the vaccine can be a danger to some or many but not all pregnancies. I am 23 weeks pregnant and am not getting vaccinated. I never get vaccinated and never get the flu, i eat well and take vitamins and probiotics. I would rather trust my body and my immune system than to ruin my immune system and my baby’s.

November 6, 2009 at 12:18 am
(30) ladylove says:

To Tinkerbell & Jmstork,
If you would like to see HARD FACTS in regards to concerning connections between Autism and vaccines, please feel free to check out this link.
I work directly with autistic adults and have asked their family doctors as well as my own about this information. They were lost for words. They didn’t have any argument to contradict the research either. If you are willing, check it out. However, I know a few women who are too scared to read up on what could possibly happen and they ignore it.
I have asked so many questions regarding this flu vaccine, including “why are they giving it to pregnant women without proper testing?” But my BIGGEST questions is, “Why on earth would the drug companies be given legal immunity if they are SO sure it’s safe?” Again, I really wish for all the mothers easy births and happy, healthy, wonderful new babies!! But if at the time of birth you find there could be problems (neurological being the more predominant) there won’t be anyone to hold responsible for the damage… You can’t turn around and say, “But, the doctor told me it was safe!” The drug companies, government, doctors, nurses etc have LEAGAL IMMUNITY. This is frightening.

November 6, 2009 at 12:28 am
(31) Beth says:

There are countless stories of babies become autistic after receiving a vaccine. Surf the net, surf youtube, ask friends.

November 6, 2009 at 12:32 am
(32) TRISH says:

I am sorry for your losses… Please continue to get the word out there. This particular flu shot is generating 7 billion dollars in the US alone, a staggering amount of money- which is why it is so covered up by our media.
Information & a healthy lifestyle are our best defenses.

November 6, 2009 at 12:33 am
(33) Beth says:

1500 percent increase in autism since Hep B vaccine.
CDC has admitted on film vaccines linked to autism.
There are way too many miscarriages happening just days after vaccine. Think of how many more there must be that haven’t spoken up. Surf the net. Do your own research before trusting this multi-billion dollar industry that takes no legal responsibility for the many injured. These poor women with miscarriages have no legal recourse.

November 6, 2009 at 12:45 am
(34) toronto canada says:

My sympathy goes to all the mothers who lost their babies after getting the H1N1 vaccine. Clearly the vaccine is not for everyone!!! it may work for some people but not for others. i just hope those doctors start to realize this and stop their madness by pushing all pregnant women to getting the vaccine assuring them it is safe when it is not. my wife’s obgyn has recommended the vaccine but when i asked her if it was 100% safe that she could not answer!! The health officials who are in conspiracy with the makers of this vaccine without doubt who made huge profits out of this madness have successfully created fear among people and make us think that without vaccine we will die if we get infected. I think the H1N1 vaccine is even deadlier than the flu itself!! During this challenging and confusing time, we should not forget that there is GOD who is most powerful to protect us from harm. we don’t need vaccines as we have a natural mechanism in our body our immune system to fight any flu viruses. Since we came to Canada in 2001, we didn’t have any flu shots! thankfully we haven’t got flu. We just took care of ourselves, stay calm as fear can weaken our immune system, get enough rest, take vitC, zinc, vitD3, beta glucan supplements, always have hand sanitizers in your pocket, always drink warm water during winter, drink fresh ginger tea with a teaspoon of honey syrup. My wife is now 30 weeks pregnant and will not be taking this vaccine as our gut feel tells us it is NOT SAFE even if doctors are recommending it!!!

November 6, 2009 at 1:34 am
(35) Beth says:

How can a doctor say h1n1 vaccine is safe for pregnant women when the vaccine companies admit they never tested it on pregnant women? How can any doctor continue to say it’s safe after so many miscarriages after vaccine?

Dr. James A. Shannon, former Director of the National Institute of Health said: “The only safe vaccine is one that is never used.”

November 6, 2009 at 8:16 am
(36) Marina Rossi says:

I recently got the H1N1 vaccine and miscarried 3 days later. I thought it could have been the vaccine but didnt ask. After finding this site I believe it was the vaccine. Sorry to everyone else out there who has just experienced a miscarriage.

November 6, 2009 at 10:02 am
(37) Beth says:

You ladies should call Philip Allan, a vaccine attorney in North Carolina, as well as alert your local and national media that you are miscarrying after your vaccines so others can be warned. This is tragic.

November 6, 2009 at 10:27 am
(38) Beth says:

Correction- Vaccine Attorney — Alan Phillips in North Carolina
I saw his name on an internet site as specializing in vaccine law.

November 6, 2009 at 10:55 am
(39) Ladylove says:

Beth, in any other situation I would absolutely agree with you and say CALL ALAN PHILLIPS!!! But this is what disturbs me the most about the H1N1 Vaccine- The creators (and doctors, nurses, anyone who administers the vaccine) have LEGAL IMMUNITY! There will be no reparations for any loss or damage to fetus, infant, child, teen, woman or man because there is a LAW stating that no one will be held accountable.
Legal Immunity.
How terrifying is that?

November 6, 2009 at 11:00 am
(40) kathy-sd says:

I’m from a town of 2000 in SD, there are several women pregnant and we are all due within a few weeks of each other. Four of us got the H1N1 vaccine 2 weeks ago and one by one each of us started to have preterm contractions. We are all due in Nov and Dec so we are further along than most of the people that lost their babies. There is no way you can tell us that our preterm labor was not caused by the H1N1 vaccine. It may look like a “fluke” to some people when these women are scattered all over the country but we are talking about 4 of us in our small community. My heart goes out to all of you that lost your babies.

November 6, 2009 at 11:50 am
(41) Beth says:

Yes, vaccine companies are immune from lawsuit and irresponsible, because they know their products injure and legislation was past to protect this billion dollar industry. However, I read of a fund available some place for those who are injured from vaccines. Many have been injured recently, worldwide, and not making it to the news. It’s worth talking to a vaccine attorney and DEFINITELY the media needs to be made aware. Ladies call your news stations so other women can be warned, and get a new doctor if he is not smart enough to see the connection.

November 6, 2009 at 11:54 am
(42) ashley says:

Im not sure but not only myself, i know someone that withing 4 days of getting the shot we both miscarried, i was only 6 weeks and she was 4 months along, not sure if the shot caused it and cant find any other information but i am a little concerned about this coincidence.

November 6, 2009 at 12:04 pm
(43) IgnoranceIsBliss says:

I am so sorry for those of you who have lost your babies after having received the vaccine…

For those of you who *claim* that nothing is wrong, what you can’t see CAN hurt you and your baby. I pray that the rest of you don’t find that something has gone terribly wrong in the development of your babies after they are born – I seriously doubt your infants will be unscathed by the toxins you’ve just loaded them up with.

November 6, 2009 at 12:38 pm
(44) Danielle says:

Stay away from this stuff!!! The H1N1 vaccine is new, and done in a hurry, it makes NO sence to rush out and get it, there is NO WAY the government knows enough about this shot to be able to predict anything about the long term effects of it. Besides, when it merges with another one of the flus it’ll be resistant to the vaccine. This is only the begining, let your body naturally make it’s own defences, and be aware and smart enough to know when to get help!!

November 6, 2009 at 12:51 pm
(45) Guggie Daly says:

Thank you for sharing, ladies. When I heard the vaccine had two ingedients that are being tested in Germany as day-after abortifacents, I wondered what the outcome would be.

The sad thing is that without limited understanding of spontaneous abortion and prenatal health, this issue will probably never be fully researched.

I hope you ladies find the answers to your questions.

November 6, 2009 at 1:17 pm
(46) Bree says:

I had the shot about 2 weeks ago when I was 18 weeks pregnant. I’m fine, I’m feeling the baby move around a lot. I was soooooo scared about getting it done…but I do agree there needs to be more research on the vaccine.

I am very sorry for your losses. It breaks my heart. I had a miscarriage before I was pregnant with this baby. I know how much your heart is aching.

November 6, 2009 at 1:22 pm
(47) Nina says:

My friend lost her baby because she got the flu, and I am 19 weeks pregnant and got the H1N1 vaccine and everything is going well with me and my baby. I had a misscarriage long time ago when I never used to get any flu vaccine.

November 6, 2009 at 2:06 pm
(48) christine says:

That is terrible! Women need to know that even though there was legislation passed so the manufacturers can’t be sued for damages, there is still federal money out there for medical care expenses related to a vaccine injury (not that any amount of money would make up for losing a baby…) according to the CDC’s handout the phone number is 1-888-0275-4772 or http://www.hrsa.gov/countermeasurescomp/default.htm

They also need to be sure and file a report with VAERS The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) so these can be counted an tracked! You can do it yourself, you don’t need a doctor to do it for you. http:.//www.vaers.hhs.gov

November 6, 2009 at 4:12 pm
(49) healthyjoy says:

I never get flu vaccines and never get the flu. I would never put all those toxins in vaccines in my body or in my children. Eat healthy diet.

November 6, 2009 at 4:29 pm
(50) healthyjoy says:

I meant to add to my above message that these many miscarriages after vaccine are so very, very sad. I hope that the doctors will stop vaccines soon. Vaccines are dangerous.

November 6, 2009 at 4:32 pm
(51) NB says:

I’m sorry for the losses that some women have experienced, but you can’t seriously consider the few people that bother to respond to a message board as representing the entire population of pregnant women.

As a nurse, I can tell you that many pregnant women have gotten the H1N1 vaccine and had no problems. Miscarriages do happen, preterm labor happens for no reasons. It is very common that a pregnant woman can be progressing fine with her pregnancy one day, then lose the baby or deliver a preterm baby the next. It happens everyday to thousands of women across the country, vaccine or no vaccine.

No one is mentioning the very real threat that the H1N1 virus is to pregnant women. If you develop respiratory distress and have to be on a ventilator & constantly sedated with multiple drugs, how do you think that affects your baby? How many babies do you think are suffering hypoxic episodes in utero from lack of oxygen because of the mother’s respiratory distress from H1N1? This can lead to permanent, irreversible brain damage in the baby. There are also many babies that are being born prematurely or miscarried from the mom having H1N1. Whether people are realizing it or not, there are also pregnant women that are having to be delivered by c-section because of the severity of their illness and that die before they ever see or hold their baby.

Choosing to do the H1N1 vax if you’re pregnant is a personal decision, but you need to make sure you understand the very real risks on both sides. Unless you live in a bubble and no one in your house works, goes to the grocery store, bank, post office, church, school, visits family, etc., you can’t avoid the risk of contracting H1N1. To think otherwise is just not very smart thinking.

I’m not a vaccine expert, so I don’t know what the risks are to pregnant women from the vaccines. But I’ve seen what happens to pregnant women from H1N1.

November 6, 2009 at 4:56 pm
(52) Anastasia says:

I never claimed that the women posting to this message board represented the entire population of pregnant women who chose to get vaccinated. That would’ve been ludicrous. I also have never claimed that the vaccine is or isn’t the cause of the numerous miscarriages reported on this same message board.

What I said was that to disregard the OBVIOUS coincidence and call it a mere “fluke” was irresponsible and I haven’t read anything posted here yet to discredit that statement.

The women who have had the vaccine and then just hours later had miscarriages have every right to question if the vaccine was responsible; and the fact that their doctors and a lot of people with less education want to automatically dismiss that possibility out of turn is unfair to these women who have just suffered what is arguably one of the most difficult losses faced by a mother.

For the record, I don’t “live in a bubble”, I go to church every Wednesday and Sunday, I go to the bank every single week, I go to the grocery store to buy whole, living foods at least three times a week and my daughter and I have not yet had the flu. My husband even had the flu and my daughter and I still avoided getting it. Why?! Because we have healthy immune systems. Why?! Because we eat right, exercise and take care of our bodies and would never, no matter what a “doctor” told us to do, put the chemicals in vaccines in our bodies.

And why do I avoid vaccines? Because “Big Pharma” has spent more money trying to sell us that crap than to actually test it and perfect it. I’m not buying their bull.

November 6, 2009 at 5:38 pm
(53) Leslie says:

Even if these pregnant women who took this vaccine are still okay, it does NOT mean their babies will be birthed without defects. The chemicals from a vaccine will remain in one’s body forever, potentially causing all sorts of damage down the road.

The vaccine is more dangerous than the flu. Many doctors have admitted this.

November 6, 2009 at 6:06 pm
(54) Leslie says:

I recall reading vaccine companies state they never tested vaccine on pregnant women, so how can anyone know it’s safe? It’s quite scarey.

November 6, 2009 at 6:16 pm
(55) NB says:

“For the record, I don’t “live in a bubble”, I go to church every Wednesday and Sunday, I go to the bank every single week, I go to the grocery store to buy whole, living foods at least three times a week and my daughter and I have not yet had the flu. My husband even had the flu and my daughter and I still avoided getting it. Why?! Because we have healthy immune systems. Why?! Because we eat right, exercise and take care of our bodies and would never, no matter what a “doctor” told us to do, put the chemicals in vaccines in our bodies.”

Are you seriously saying that the only people that catch H1N1 are people that don’t eat right, don’t exercise, don’t have healthy immune systems and don’t take care of their bodies? For real? If that’s what you’re saying, you just proved what I said about not following a smart way of thinking. If you actually read about the H1N1, the majority of deaths are in HEALTHY people that should not be at risk from it. I would also say that probably most pregnant women take care of themselves even more than your average person. If your line of thinking is correct, please explain why pregnant women are MORE at risk and have a higher morbidity from H1N1? Why do pregnant women have a much higher fatality rate from it than the general population?

I have a stepchild that doesn’t exercise, doesn’t eat right (except when with us), goes places constantly to which she might be exposed and is fully vaxed except for H1N1 because it’s not available here yet. She hasn’t caught it either. And you even said yourself that your husband had the flu (which most likely was swine flu since that’s the most common flu virus circulating now). I assume he eats the same kind of healthy foods and lives the same kind of healthy lifestyle you & your daughter do and it didn’t work for him. So I guess that disproves your theory about why you & your daughter haven’t caught it. Healthy living and nutritious food certainly play a role in preventing disease or severity of disease, but it does NOT guarantee disease prevention.

November 6, 2009 at 6:56 pm
(56) Connie says:

Please ladies if you have suffered a miscarriage, side effects due to the H1N1 vaccinations please contact your local newstation, and report and also go to the VAERS- http:vaers.hhs.gov Which is the Vaccine Adverse Event Report System, or call at 1-800-822-7967 and report so this is kept on file.

November 6, 2009 at 7:00 pm
(57) Elizabeth says:

I’ve read and noticed that those who follow the raw vegan lifestyle rarely get ill. And folks seem to get healed of illnesses by following that vegetable based diet. It’s quite amazing.

To read more about it, surf the net for Tree of Life Rejuvenation Center in Arizona, founded by Dr. Gabriel Cousins, an MD.

Those who eat really healthy may get ill, but seem to recover more quickly. I had the flu for 3 days, then was fine. My neighbor got the flu and he was well in 3 days.
I think diet can play a role in how fast I recover.

Pumping the body full of chemicals and vaccines with mercury is not healthy. I would rather catch the flu and ride it out, than risk the dire consequences of chemicals in vaccines.

How very sad for the many miscarriages immediately after vaccination.

November 6, 2009 at 7:04 pm
(58) Beth says:

Swine flu is not the most common flu going around, based on a CBS investigative report that exposed media for hyping up swine flu numbers. Their report revealed up to 3 percent of flu’s were actually swine flu.

November 6, 2009 at 9:06 pm
(59) Questioning says:

so if you miscarry following having the flu, it’s because of the flu, but if you miscarry following having the shot, it can’t be the shot?? Some pregnant women will get the flu and be ok, others won’t. Some pregnant women will get the shot and be ok (so far) and others won’t. But to dismiss these “coincidences” just because the pharmaceutical companies say the vaccine is safe (following 0 research) if absolutely ridiculous and irresponsible.

November 7, 2009 at 1:45 am
(60) Samantha says:

Ok, so your saying that there a pregnant women dying of H1N1 and are needing to deliver their babies by C-section and never seeing their child. Do you have a link to this? Because I’m fairly certain that would make the news.

Also as for the vegan diet, a friend of mine is vegan, and the ONLY time he gets sick is when he’s sent off on course and has to eat out of mess halls (military). He is unable to fix his own meals, and make sure that it truly a vegan diet.

To those of you who have miscarried, my heart goes out to you. I’ve been there, it sucks, for those of you how have had still births, My heart also goes out to you!!

I don’t trust the vaccine….

November 7, 2009 at 1:52 am
(61) Ladylove says:

We aren’t hearing about mortality/injury/adverse effects because the government certainly isn’t going to let the public know while still trying to vaccinate as many people as possible. It’s awfully suspect that we’re feeling the pain of the money spent to pull us out of the recession and yet the government stands to profit billions from this vaccine.
Check this out-

November 7, 2009 at 2:00 am
(62) Time Machine says:

I got a flu shot in pregnancy, developed incredibly strange symptoms immediately (numb hands, feet and mouth, heart palpitations, sudden weakness in my legs, a bright red face), began bleeding and miscarried by 11 weeks. I had no idea there was mercury in most flu shots but once I found out after the fact, I was assured that I’d had the “mercury free” form. As it turned out, the shot wasn’t completely mercury free and, according to the EPA website, it still had 5,000 times the limit for mercury in drinking water– not to mention a list of other toxins (MSG, formaldehyde, etc.).
I’d had no idea the shots were so dirty. I guess I’d been under the impression they were something like sterile water and a dead virus, that’s it.
The strange symptoms– which I’d been told were “just pregnancy” lasted six months. No one could figure out what was wrong with me, why I couldn’t make stairs, why I felt like I’d been shot with novocaine. I learned later from a book by Jane Hightower that these were all symptoms of mercury exposure. I guess I’m one of those susceptible people. No one in my family is getting the H1N1– no one even gets regular flu shots anymore, we all read labels.

November 7, 2009 at 2:32 am
(63) Beth says:
November 7, 2009 at 2:40 am
(64) collbean says:

Samantha….YES there was a woman who went into a coma from H1N1 then had to have a c-section to remove her baby before she died.
It was on the news….so sad. This flu IS a big threat to pregnant women. We are the highest risk group. It’s a tough decision either way being pregnant. I feel as though I’m having to choose between the lesser of two evils….

November 7, 2009 at 3:30 am
(65) Anastasia says:

To NB, since you seem to want to make this personal, my husband works long hard hours that wear down his body and, no, he doesn’t eat the same diet that my daughter and I do. He likes a lot of processed foods and takes packaged items in the lunch he packs for himself for work. His choice, he’s a grown man.

You’re the one that started that whole “unless you live in a bubble you’re going to get sick” nonsense so don’t point your finger at me. I didn’t claim that only people who don’t take care of themselves get sick. That is not what I said. So, please, don’t put words in my mouth.

The fact is that my daughter and I get regular chiropractic care, which keeps our nervous system functioning at it’s best and, yes, we eat healthy and take care of our bodies but I’m not saying we never get sick.

I’m saying that with diet, exercise and good “preventative” care my daughter and I can avoid getting sick and on the rare occasion when we do get sick we recover much faster.

Unproven and untested vaccines are crap. They are dangerous and risky; and when something goes wrong no one wants to address the possibility that they’re the problem… which I noticed in your ranting response is the one statement you never addressed… and the point I’ve been trying to make.

Once again, my point is this: all the “doctors” who get challenged by their patients who coincidentally miscarry shortly after getting the vaccine want to immediately discredit the possibility that the vaccine is responsible and that’s wrong. It’s irresponsible to disregard what appears to be quite a lot of “coincidences”. Definitely too many to be called a “fluke”, which, from the beginning, was the point I was trying to make.

But you’re a nurse, I don’t blame you for thinking the way you do. “Big Pharma” wins because they have more money to develop chemicals for us to take than holistic health care supporters and providers have money for research. Nothing will change until the mindset of treating symptoms becomes replaced with a wellness lifestyle.

November 7, 2009 at 3:46 am
(66) Staci says:

“Healthy living and nutritious food certainly play a role in preventing disease or severity of disease, but it does NOT guarantee disease prevention.”

Neither does the vaccine.

November 7, 2009 at 4:58 am
(67) Lisa says:

to NB:

I’m not sure where you’re getting your info from but there is a blaring false statement in your comment (55) that I’d like to correct. You said the majority of deaths are in “healthy” people. This is incorrect. Actually 9/10 of people who succumbed to H1N1 so far have underlying or chronic health conditions compromising their health. (obesity, diabetes, severe asthma, etc) – Without a doubt, the VAST majority of people who have died from H1N1 so far are people who are NOT “healthy” to begin with. Some even have 2 or 3 risk factors. What is not known about most of the pregnant women who died so far is that many of them were also quite obese, or had additional risk factors other than pregnancy.

YOu asked this question: “please explain why pregnant women are MORE at risk and have a higher morbidity from H1N1?”

The answer to that is for several reasons 1) The baby presses on the lungs, and especially in late pregnancy, the capacity of lungs is diminished. This increases the likelihood of pneumonia setting in. 2) The immune system of women works a little differently during pregnancy, so as not to reject the fetus. The risk of infectious illnesses during pregnancy is somewhat increased.

However, this is nothing new with H1N1. These statements have always been true and pregnant women have always been at slightly higher risk for complications from flu. We’ve been getting along just fine for generations before flu vaccine came along. Now that there is a vax recommended, suddenly everyone is jumping in fear that they will be the next “victim”

The truth is a pregnant woman has a very small chance statistically speaking of ever being hospitalized from this flu. Dr Blaylock puts it into perspective when he said: “if you run the risk of getting the flu during this season your risk is about 3/100 to 1/1000 of 1 percent for a pregnant woman” This can be heard on the 2nd video here:


He talks about the risk to the developing fetus of increasing the immune reaction during pregnancy. This can occur from a natural infection (flu) or from the VACCINE. If you get the vaccine, your risk is 100%. If you don’t get the vaccine, your risk is a fraction of 1 percent.

Every year there have always been some pregnant women and children dying from the flu. (NOT very many – out of population of 300 million in U.S. pediatric deaths total under 100) Actually around 20 per year BEFORE the vaccine was mass implemented, and its gone up to near 100 per year AFTER 2003 (when flu vaccine began to be given to all children)

You just didn’t hear about these deaths in previous years because there was no pandemic “scare” and no vaccine propaganda.

This flu season is actually MORE MILD and much less severe than previous seasons, and this can be proven by looking at Australia and other countries who have already completed their winter season. Number of deaths is remarkedly LOWER than previous years!!!

People, do not believe the talking heads coming from your TVS – do NOT take their word as gospel!! They speak in half truths and rarely tell you the other side of the story. If you don’t do your own research you’re all going to be jumping off the bridge when the talking heads convince you it is for your own good and its going to be too late to change your mind after you hit the water! Vaccines are irreversible, you cannot take it back once you put it in!

November 7, 2009 at 8:52 am
(68) Norway says:

TERESA FORCADES, doctor in Public Health, reflects on the history, and gives scientific data. See all 6 clips and make your decision:

November 7, 2009 at 9:12 am
(69) Ashley says:

I am so very sorry for your losses. It is an awful experience to have to endure, and I wish your families strength. I also want to thank you for sharing your stories, they are important for anyone to understand the human side of vaccine risk.

It will be interesting to see if someone does a study to compare the normal rates of miscarriage to the current rates of miscarriage. That could help us to understand how likely it is that H1N1 was indeed a bad recommendation to pregnant mothers (even though we are all pretty sure that it was).

With NO safe levels of mercury known to us, with a vaccine for pregnant mothers containing MORE mercury in it than the adjuvanted vaccine, and with firm knowledge that the placenta acts as an amplifier in pregnancy making substances in the maternal body more effective and at higher doses in the infant… well, one could deduce with common logic that it is likely to have caused some developmental abnormality to the fetus, which often results in a miscarriage.

Until someone does that comparative study, though, it will unfortunately just be brushed off as ‘unfounded anti-vacc rhetoric’.

Keep telling your stories, please, and pressure your MD and the National Vaccine Awareness Network to look into this further.

November 7, 2009 at 9:51 am
(70) Lisa says:

I think the vaccine is more dangerous than the flu. All that mercury cant be good for the fetus.

November 7, 2009 at 9:54 am
(71) Questioning says:

well said, Anastasia and Lisa!!

I completely agree that a healthy lifestyle does wonders for natural immunity. I usually eat about 95-100% raw and living foods and while pregnant I still try to incorporate as much of that as I can, even though I’m not as raw as I would like to be. People who are raw are in fantastic health and very very rarely get sick. In fact, eat a raw living food diet has helped people heal themselves of cancer, lupus, diabetes, you name it.

So incorporate as much raw and living foods into your diet as you can and it will help you stay healthy.

Love to all those of you who lost your babies – I’ve lost two myself (last year and completely unrelated to flu or vaccine issues).

November 7, 2009 at 11:29 am
(72) Beth says:

The vaccine does not guarantee against flu. It does not it guarantee it is safe. The vaccine was never tested on pregnant women.

Yet vaccine companies make billions of dollars whether or not their product is safe or effective.

Additionally, I’ve read many reports of people are getting flu *after* being vaccinated.

Surf the net for vaccine injury news. See the Facebook group: Vaccination Information Network.

Report your miscarriage stories here to help other pregnant women and hopefully an intelligent doctor will read this site and stop these hideous vaccines that seem to be injuring folks worldwide.

Switzerland just halted vaccine for pregnant women.

November 7, 2009 at 11:42 am
(73) Jamie says:

The problem with the shots, is that there is aluminum and other neurotoxic ingredients, and its not just about the mercury.

What everyone seems to forget is that there is mercury in each and every shot, just most of it has been strained out in the ‘mercury free’ ones and that amount is below the amount that needs to be listed. It still contains mercury.

If you are getting a single dose, then you are receiving the ‘mercury free’ one. If it is a multi dose, then it contains the mercury, enough that has been approved only if you weigh over 550 lbs and you are a man…

It’s not just about the thimerasol though.

November 7, 2009 at 12:40 pm
(74) Beth says:

The packing insert label of vaccine reads: “not safe for pregnant women.”

This was read on a national tv show:

November 7, 2009 at 12:47 pm
(75) jobie says:

Having lost 4 babies to miscarriage i totally understand your pain. For me i would never have this vaccine while pregnant, firstly because a baby under 6 months can’t ahve the vaccine so why is it ok for pregnant women with a developing fetus ok to have it? Doesn’t add up really. And secondly, just how much testing has been done on pregnant women to know it doesn’t cause misscarriage, not alot i can bet if any.

November 7, 2009 at 1:13 pm
(76) susu says:

i’m so tired of people saying vaccinations are unsafe. please move to another country where they don’t vaccinate. when you see the results of having polio or other diseases maybe you’ll change your mind.

November 7, 2009 at 1:27 pm
(77) Christina says:

To Susu,
Differing opinions are most certainly allowed in today’s society. I suggest you do your own research into vaccines to show why there is such concern. Look into vaccine injuries, all it takes is typing those two words (I’ll repeat- Vaccine Injuries) in to your google bar and you will be accosted by stories and statistic and heartbreaking evidence of why people are so concerned about Vaccines. You can see for yourself the results of vaccines in your own country. You don’t have to move away to see it, the evidence is all around you- right in your backyard, so to speak.
Perhaps if you become a vaccine injury statistic, your tune would change, dramatically.

November 7, 2009 at 1:39 pm
(78) susu says:

on the flip side, google the benefits of vaccines (i repeat, the BENEFITS of vaccines) and you’ll find many…in fact, as a medical professional, i’m 100% positive that the benefits outweigh the risks.

November 7, 2009 at 1:59 pm
(79) Angela says:

I’m beginning to believe the benefits of NOT vaccinating outweigh the risk OF vaccinating. I have one vaccinated child who is the sickest in our family two other children not vaccinated and have never had problems. I FINALLY listened to my gut. The stats are all wrong because many do not report side effects they have had and they simply believe their doctors who tell them when their children have issues after being vaccinated that they are not related. BS!! Besides that polio/measles/mumps/ are not really big scary diseases..like the flu many got over them. Yes there were cases that are horrific and children who did die..but are the effects of all these vaccinations pretty? Nope..People do the research!!! Don’t blindly believe what your told.

November 7, 2009 at 2:18 pm
(80) susu says:

i’m sure people who don’t vaccinate DO feel safe. they can thank those of us who HAVE been vaccinated for their safety.

November 7, 2009 at 2:52 pm
(81) Questioning says:

Susu, what kind of medical professional are you exactly?

you said “as a medical professional, i’m 100% positive that the benefits outweigh the risks.” What research and evidence is that based on?

Has any study looked at how many women have miscarried after having the flu compared to how many miscarried after vaccinating?

November 7, 2009 at 3:12 pm
(82) Krzysztof says:

Dear Women,
vaccines since 1974 are widely used and patented as
involuntary sterillants for depopulation, like hCG hormone in millions (United States Patent 5733553)
Also the H1N1 vax:
Stay united and fight those mass-murders

November 7, 2009 at 3:31 pm
(83) Anastasia says:

To Susu – it seems to me that your saying that those of us who choose NOT to vaccinate our children should be grateful for the safety being afforded us by those children who have been vaccinated.

If that is the case then why does every school in the country FREAK when you tell them your child isn’t vaccinated and ask you to sign an affidavit stating that if your child shows any signs of any illness that you will keep them home?

What do all those “safe” vaccinated kids have to be afraid of? My child is the one that is supposedly at risk, not your vaccinated child. So what’s the problem?

November 7, 2009 at 3:43 pm
(84) Beth says:

Hi Ladies,

I appreciate this dialog and wanted to pass along volumes of research linking vaccines to: cancer, diabetes, auto-immune disease, multiple scelerosis and other neurological disorders, and many other diseases.


I have yet to find, however, any case studies which prove vaccines are effective.

The only research I have found which states vaccines are effective are done by the vaccine makers who are selling their vaccines. Recent polio cases have been reported by those who actually took polio vaccines.

I hope the above link will help educate anyone who believes a vaccine is safe.

November 7, 2009 at 3:49 pm
(85) Beth says:

Below is a case study revealing how harmful polio vaccine is and that is was actually spreading polio:

Daniel, J C, “The Polio Paradox, One of the Two Polio Vaccines Has Been Largely Abandoned in the US; The other is the Leading Cause of the Disease”, Science, April 1986, p 37-39.

November 7, 2009 at 4:03 pm
(86) Beth says:

While the sharing of info is good and important, I feel badly that we have digressed away from these poor women who have suffered miscarriages a day or two after their flu vaccines. My heart goes out to them. I hope they will continue to share here.

November 7, 2009 at 4:33 pm
(87) Beth says:

One last comment. I read recently that many are still getting the flu *after* being vaccinated (surf the net for numerous news reports worldwide), and that vaccines work *at best* in helping only 1 out of 4 who are vaccinated, as reported by Dr. Mercola. Vaccination does not *guarantee* effectiveness and additionally comes with many of it’s own risk. For me, the best disease prevention is extreme healthy lifestyle. I haven’t had a vaccine in over 40 years.

November 7, 2009 at 4:51 pm
(88) Dani12weeks says:

I’m 12 weeks and received both the H1N1 vaccine and seasonal vaccine on Thursday. They were BOTH thermisol free and both contained no live virus… Your Dr. wouldn’t give you them if they didn’t.

To everyone who thinks this is a billion dollar industry…. the vaccines are FREE. NO ONE is making money off of theses vaccines. Your great grand children will pay for them.
I work at a elementary school in Pennsylvania and 230 kids came down with swine flu…so far. 6 were hospitalized. Its only november… A young, healthy, pregnant women died after giving birth to her baby due to complications from the flu… I don’t know about other mothers but what good are you to your baby if you are dead? Everyone has “what if’s”…. “what if” I drive down the road and die in an hour? ” What if” I grow horns from getting vaccinated? You cant what if everything in life, we all would get no where.
The H1N1 vaccine was tested MORE then the seasonal flu vaccine…. it is a new vaccine but so is EVERY seasonal flu vaccine…that means its is new every year…the strains of virus change every year. Its always new.
This is a very serious illness and just because some people are immune to it, the general public is not. I know of 3 kids whose parents are health freaks, own a health food store and have done nothing but protect them, and they were in the hospital with the H1N1 flu. It doesn’t matter how many times you wash your hands or what you eat…someone with the illness can sneeze before you walk past and you can contract the flu…. this is not something to take lightly.
I’m very sorry for those of you who lost your baby, but this is a very real and very serious epidemic to everyone, especially pregnant women. Like I said…. If I die, what good am I to my child?

November 7, 2009 at 5:01 pm
(89) Dani12weeks says:

Also, there have been more then a few women who received the vaccine and have given birth…Don’t worry…they are beautiful and healthy and protected for the next 6 months from the flu!

November 7, 2009 at 5:03 pm
(90) Christina says:

To Susu,
I implore you to stand and face a woman who has a vaccine injured child and tell her you are *100% positive the benefits outweigh the risks*. I’m not sure what kind of medical “professional” you are, but I am certain you are misinforming your loved ones with your vaccine support.
To Beth,
You are a wealth of knowledge!! The more people are aware, the better!! But you’re right, the point of this is to encourage women who have had the vaccine to share their experience. And for all of the women who have miscarried following the vaccine, my heart breaks for you… Nothing will make it easier, but know there are plenty of strangers you’ve never even met who are hurting for you….

November 7, 2009 at 5:26 pm
(91) Christina says:

To Dani12weeks,
Have you read ANYTHING anyone has written here before posting your comments?
Obviously life is full of “what if’s?”, but can you imagine for one moment what the women on this page are thinking after experiencing a miscarriage/still birth after receiving the vaccine?? They are saying, “what if I hadn’t…?” To say a doctor wouldn’t give a woman the vaccine with thimerosal (which you spelled incorrectly) is untrue. There is so much documentation available as FACT that there were no tests done on pregnant women to demonstrate if the H1N1 Vaccine is safe.
Please, do yourself a favor before posting anymore comments and read all of the information available here, and do NOT disregard what these poor women have been through.

November 7, 2009 at 5:39 pm
(92) Beth says:

To Dani12weeks,

The FDA is currently being sued by a number of individuals for *not* thoroughly testing the H1N1 vaccine.

The FDA approved the H1N1 quickly with an attached *waiver* admitting it was not thoroughly tested.

Vaccine companies state it was never tested on pregnant women.

If infants under 6 mos. are not to receive flu vaccines, why are fetus’s getting it?

Again, my condolences to the those with miscarriages after vaccination.

November 7, 2009 at 5:41 pm
(93) Beth says:

To Dani12weeks,

Vaccines do not guarantee against disease. Dr. Mercola states that one out four who are vaccinated “might” not get the flu. It’s not a very good statistic. Many who have been vaccinated have still gotten the flu if you read the many world reports.

November 7, 2009 at 5:50 pm
(94) Angela says:

It is known that stimulating a woman’s immune system during midterm and later term pregnancy significantly increases the risk that her baby will develop autism during childhood and schizophrenia sometime during the teenage years and afterward.27

Compelling scientific evidence also shows an increased risk of seizures in the baby and later as an adult.28 In fact, a number of neurodevelopmental and behavioral problems can occur in babies born to women immunologically stimulated during pregnancy.29-32

It is true that serious flu infections or E. coli infections during pregnancy are a major risk for all these complications, but a woman’s risk of becoming infected, as we have seen, is a very small fraction of 1 %, yet they are calling for all pregnant women to be vaccinated with at least three vaccines, two of which contain mercury. There is also evidence to show that a large number of these women will gain no protection from the vaccine.

Dr. Bronze, quoted above, notes that animal studies have shown that vaccines harm unborn babies and that no safety studies have been done in humans. A recent study done by Dr. Laura Hewitson, a professor of obstetrics at the University of Pittsburg Medical Center, found that a single vaccine used in human babies, when used in newborn monkeys, caused significant abnormalities in brainstem development.33 This mass vaccination program for H1N1 variant virus will be the largest experiment on pregnant women in history and could end as a monumental disaster.

November 7, 2009 at 5:54 pm
(95) Beth says:

Additionally to Dani12weeks,

500,000 are hospitalized a year for regular flu.
About 40,000 die a year for regular flu.
That’s in the U.S. alone, based on CDC figures.

Allegedly, CDC told doctors in July to stop testing for swine flu and just assume it was swine. The swine test is very expensive and most hospitals are *not* testing for it, but assuming, as directed by the CDC. I’ve heard from numerous friends with the flu that the doctors just assumed it was swine, so there are no real statistics.

For 1,000+ people to die of the swine flu is minor compared to the 40,000 that die yearly of regular flu in the US alone, including pregnant women.

In regards to the 1,000+ people who have died of swine flu, CBS investigative reporter could find no reports to verify 1000+ swine deaths, since few hospitals were actually testing for it, based on CDC report. Those that were, reported very low numbers of swine.

There are no verifiable records that state 1,000+ have died of swine flu in the U.S. based on CBS investigative report.

CBS went so far as to find out that only 3% of those with flu’s were really swine flu.

Remember 500,000 a year are hospitalized for regular flu and 40,000 die, before you get carried away by the low swine flu numbers.

And again, the FDA is being sue by doctors and individuals for not properly testing H1N1 vaccine.

November 7, 2009 at 6:05 pm
(96) Beth says:

To Dani12weeks,

P.S. The vaccine is not free. Tax payer money paid for it as well as our bankrupted government.
Here is info of just one lawsuit filed against the FDA for not testing the H1N1. There are others.


November 7, 2009 at 6:51 pm
(97) susu says:

i really think to effectively research one must look at both sides of the story. it appears that the viewpoints here consist of a radical few who get their informations from quacks like mercola and other quack-sites on the internet. schools want parents of unvaccinated students to sign wavers for their protection. if one of these unvaccinated students gets sick, the disease will spread to all or most of the unvaccinated students. hence, those of us who get vaccinated make our country a safer place for those who are misinformed and think that they know better than the scientists who actually conduct the research that gives us our vaccines.

November 7, 2009 at 7:14 pm
(98) Anastasia says:

Thank you, Susu, for proving my point and I have yet to hear you answer the question… just what kind of a “medical professional” are you?

The fact is that the reason people like you fall for the “vaccine propaganda and hype” is because too many of our hard earned tax dollars are going to fund research to keep this country sick and dependent on vaccines and pharmaceuticals.

If just a fraction of those funds were to be directed toward holistic and wellness research this country wouldn’t need so many chemicals and drugs. Oh, but therein lies the rub, right? No sick people means no money for “Big Pharma”, which means no kickbacks to the government.

Ever wondered what lobbyist would do if this country actually figured out how to live healthy, wealthy and wise?

November 7, 2009 at 7:43 pm
(99) Questioning says:

“i really think to effectively research one must look at both sides of the story.”

YOU are not at all willing to hear both sides of the story – anyone differing from the mainstream and presenting another side is a quack to you – so don’t preach “both sides of the story” when you can’t. The women who wrote here about their stories listened to the mainstream perspective and did get their shots – and lost their babies shortly after. It’s happening.

“think that they know better than the scientists who actually conduct the research that gives us our vaccines”

Again, there has been no research of the effect of the vaccine on pregnant women or their babies.

November 7, 2009 at 8:48 pm
(100) mademoiselled says:

I’m not for the H1N1 vaccine at all, but all these comments look like they were written by the same person. No offense, but one feels people’s different personalities through writing, and these comments all feel like they come from the same source.

November 7, 2009 at 9:15 pm
(101) Angela says:

I agree one must ALWAYS look on both sides. For me, more evidence points towards the harm vaccines have had on our nation at the present time rather then the benefits. I’d rather my children develop natural immunity that lasts for a lifetime rather then immunize them which only lasts for a few years. Most healthy people don’t develop major complications from these minor diseases. Like why on earth are children getting vaccinated from chicken pox??? They won’t have that immunity when they are adults..it wears off and then if they get it it’s WAY MORE harmful! I just don’t get it.

November 7, 2009 at 10:25 pm
(102) mystic_eye_cda says:

To the pregnant women that had the vaccine, if you remember or could find out could you please post a follow up comment with the vaccine name/company. If you got the shot from your doctor they should have this information as well as the lot number in your file. If you got the vaccine from a clinic I’m sure they are supposed to provide you with an immunization record including the lot number to give to your primary physician but I have a suspicion informed consent and medical records go out the window at some “vaccination clinics”

And if you are American report these miscarriage to VAERS on your own AND insist your doctor do so as well. If not American hopefully your country has a reporting system.

It may also be advisable to contact the manufacturer of the vaccine.

The only way anyone will ever know if there is an increased rate of miscarriage after influenza vaccine is if they are reported, otherwise they can be ignored as “coincidental” normal rate of miscarriage. Its possible that some or all of these miscarriages would have happened with or without the influenza vaccine -but with the lack of large long term double-blind trials for almost any vaccine and the ethical problems with experimenting on pregnant women and the way this vaccine was rushed to market the only tool left is post-market monitoring. So make sure EVERY potential vaccine reaction is reported -that’s why VAERS is allowing patients to submit their own reactions now; too few reactions for many reasons.

My heart goes out to those of you that had a loss, but maybe trying to prevent it for others will help in a small way.

November 7, 2009 at 10:46 pm
(103) mystic_eye_cda says:


“the vaccines are FREE. NO ONE is making money off of theses vaccines”

Do you think that the companies making the vaccines were in a bidding war to get the various contracts from various countries because they wouldn’t get paid or not paid until later.

Every “free” vaccine is paid for by someone, in this case the government. Yes because the government is in debt this added tax burden will still be getting paid off by your grandchildren, but that doesn’t mean drug company share holders and CEOs aren’t getting rich TODAY.

Yes drug companies do give away small percentages of drugs as samples and in some cases to people or countries that can’t afford them, this of course is built into the price that is charged of the paying customer (just like the price of inventory “loss” is built into store prices, and people with dental insurance subsidize non-insured patients who almost always get a discount). If a company made a vaccine and gave it all away for free or for payment even a year from now their shareholders would have everyone fired. Companies are not charities, they charge what the market will bear and in this case the market is the government and it has deep pockets.

November 8, 2009 at 12:15 am
(104) OregonNews says:

NO PROBLEMS HERE. I got the vaccine at 17 weeks and had an ultrasound 10 days later and baby looks healthy. I got the version of the vaccine with the thimerosal because nothing else was available and I am high risk due to pregnancy and asthma. There is nothing “new” about this vaccine. It is the same as the seasonal flu vaccine, just with a different strain of the flu virus.

November 8, 2009 at 12:36 am
(105) H1N1Prevention says:

Swine flu is a lipid coated virus, and thus is inactivated by sufficient amounts of monolaurin. Our bodies convert lauric acid, found in coconut oil, to monolaurin.



BTW: I am sorry for all of your losses, It truly breaks my heart.

November 8, 2009 at 3:10 am
(106) miscarriage says:

I have removed one comment from this post. Please refrain from insulting other posters and keep any posts on subject.

Anyway, I see there is a lively debate going on here. I wish I had something to add, but I don’t, as I haven’t yet found any additional information on the use of the H1N1 vaccine in the first trimester that I can share one way or the other. The vaccine is being studied in pregnant women, however, but the studies I’m aware of have only recruited women in the second and third trimesters (and early reports from those studies haven’t found any obvious problems…will make an additional blog post on this later in the day). I do encourage those who have miscarried after this vaccination to make VAERS reports, as other posters have suggested.

November 8, 2009 at 3:16 am
(107) Anastasia says:

To mademoiselled, I can’t speak for the other posters. But I’ve only posted under the name Anastasia.

I also must agree with the others who have said that it’s sad that this has moved so far off topic… my prayers are with all of these poor women who have miscarried. It’s a horrible loss.

God bless you all.

November 8, 2009 at 11:58 am
(108) c at 25 weeks says:

I just had my vaccine and I am 25 weeks. The nurse said that because I am “over 20 weeks I will be safe and so will my baby”. sat me down read the symptoms I may have after recieving the shot. They repeatidly told me thorughout the service “this shot is not safe if under 20 weeks” so my heart goes out to the women who have lost their babies around the same time after recieving the vaccine under 20 weeks. I live in bc Canada and know a girl whos due next month (christmas time) and has H1N1 in the hospital and the baby may not make it. So I pray that during this hard confusing time that there will be clarity and peace in our hearts with this horrible flu and non reliable vaccine. Also I’m gonna go ahead and say “I live in the BUBBLE I live a very healthy lifestyle having a highrisk pregnancy told by doctors I am on bedrest…so resting lots also and still do not feel safe from this horrible virus. Also I have seen extremly vegan/healthy/holistic people come down with this flu maybe not as severly (but thats just the scarey part this flu effects everyone differently!)

November 8, 2009 at 2:45 pm
(109) Beth says:

Miscarriage reports coming across from the country from vaccine. Many are paying $20-$70 for the vaccine.


With all these miscarriages a day or two after the vaccine,
it cannot be a mere coincidence. This is TRAGIC.

Switzerland has banned vaccine for pregnant women.

November 8, 2009 at 2:48 pm
(110) Beth says:

I hope and pray people are open minded enough to see that pregnant women are being harmed by this vaccine. While the flu is dangerous, the vaccine appears to be more dangerous, in my observation and readings.
Those of you getting angry and saying the vaccine is unrelated to the miscarriage must be in the vaccine selling business, otherwise, how can you have no heart and defend this tragedy.

November 8, 2009 at 2:53 pm
(111) Beth says:

And as I said previously, there several lawsuits against FDA is currently being sued for not properly testing vaccine.

November 8, 2009 at 3:09 pm
(112) Beth says:

There are many doctors against this vaccine.

Surf the net for Dr. Tenpenny, Dr. Horowitz, Dr. Mercola, Dr. Epenstein, Dr. Tocco, and many others. They cant all be quacks because they think vaccines are dangerous. These many miscarriages are glaring proof they are dangerous.

Doctor who operate outside the mainstream pharmaceutical/vaccine medicine field are often called quacks. It’s a shame.

November 8, 2009 at 3:17 pm
(113) Beth says:

The swine flu vaccine of 1976 killed over 500 people before it was quickly pulled from use. Many were paralyzed as well. Surf the net.

These miscarriages need to be reported to newstations and attorneys, as well as the above mentioned groups,
so others are not harmed.

Your doctors are trained to quickly say the vaccine did not cause your miscarriage, which I find horrendous.

Thank you all for your posts.

November 8, 2009 at 3:26 pm
(114) Beth says:

To OregonNews

The H1N1 shot *is* different than regular flu shot in that it contains more adjuncts including squalene which was reportedly linked to the Gulf War Syndrome and anthrax vaccine.

Ladies, surf the net for squalene in vaccines. It was pulled from use in 2004 because of its toxic injuries.

Now it is back in the H1N1. Due your own research on the internet about this additive.

Men in the Gulf War who received squalene in the anthrax vaccine had a 70 percent rate of birth defects.

Again, vaccine companies admit this vaccine was never tested on pregant women.

Midwives across the country are outraged that pregnant are being vaccinated.

I am happy to provide links to back any of this up if anyone is interested. All this info is freely available on the internet.

November 8, 2009 at 3:27 pm
(115) Jenna says:

I’m not getting it unless things get *much* worse (like 25% death rate). The vaccine is a class C drug for pregnancy. My midwife was appalled that they are pushing a Class C drug on pregnant women and is not recommending it.

November 8, 2009 at 3:29 pm
(116) Beth says:

Thank you. I hear many who are familar with the harmful affects of vaccines on pregnant women are outraged.
While the flu is dangerous, the vaccine does not guarantee safety or protection from the flu.

November 8, 2009 at 5:06 pm
(117) Beth says:

My 108 entry above contains more miscarriage stories after receiving flu shots, including after the thirmasol-reduced vaccine. Women daily are reporting miscarriages after vaccine.

November 8, 2009 at 5:17 pm
(118) Beth says:

There are many months before it is revealed if the mercury you put in your body induces autism in your child. One in 60 children have autism with scientific research linking it to vaccines, available on the internet. I pray your baby remains safe.

November 8, 2009 at 5:24 pm
(119) Beth says:

Interview with a doctor specializing in infectious diseases stating H1N1 vaccine more harmful than the flu. :


November 8, 2009 at 6:21 pm
(120) Questioning says:

so, I’m no expert about the immune system, but I was thinking about something. When you are pregnant and RH- blood type, if your partner is RH+, you have to get a shot to protect you from having your body create antibodies that fight the fetus.

I’m reading a book called “What your doctor May Not tell you about Children’s Vaccinations”. In it it says “When vaccines are injected into the body, they bypass many of the body’s initial immune system defenses. In a sense, the vaccine, along with the toxic additives in the solution, is thrust into the body unannounced. This “surprise” forces the body to overcompensate by producing more disease-fighting cells than it normally would if the infection were natural. This overstresses the body in two ways – it not only overproduces immune system cells, it must also fight the infection (introduced by the vaccine), along with the chemicals and other additives in the vaccine.”

So what I’m thinking is that if you overstress and overstimulate your immune system when you’re pregnant by injecting a flu vaccine, some women’s systems may very well turn on the baby – as it can do with the RH-/RH+ situation.

Again, I’m not a doctor or anything… just a thought I had when I read about how the vaccine works.

November 8, 2009 at 6:29 pm
(121) Deedee says:

Women! Husbands! Please, please, go report to the police! Go report to the media! Please don’t allow this to happen. Call your local newspaper. Please do something!!!

November 8, 2009 at 7:44 pm
(122) Ryan Rettig says:

Please all people that have miscarriage stories personally message me about them on youtube(rettigry11). I also have facebook myspace and twitter. I need personally stories as evidence for people waiting in line at clinics. My name is RyanRettig

November 8, 2009 at 8:55 pm
(123) Elle says:

For those of you who have miscarried or given birth to stillborn children: I am so sorry for your loss and grief. I know the pain, having given birth to stillborn son at 37 weeks gestation. In our case, there was no possibility that vaccine of any sort was responsible for my son’s death, as I did not receive any vaccines while pregnant. But I know the pain of such a loss, and the difficulty of not having definitive answers coupled with concerns that the well-meaning medical and/OR anti-medical advice I chose to heed may have been responsible for his death. I will never get to have answers. I have had to make peace with that, and I want to say that such a peace is possible. Furthermore, in recognizing and learning to accept that there’s very little in life I get to be “100% certain” about, I’ve become far more serene, and a kinder person.

A couple thoughts:

1) One thing that almost all the people (here and elsewhere) engaged in this debate share is a desire to protect the lives and the well-being of ourselves and others. Another thing we share is a desire to know the truth, so that we may be best empowered to succeed in protecting ourselves. We would all do well to understand that our motives, across the board, are rooted in love, care, and concern, and as such it wouldn’t kill us to cultivate a little more respect for those whose views and conclusions differ from or oppose our own.

2) The full truth about vaccine safety is simply an unknown. Many vaccine advocates and many vaccine skeptics claim that their view is supported by absolutely conclusive evidence. I don’t see the evidence for such a claim! I suspect that there is good evidence to support both extremes of the pro- and anti-positions on vaccine, as well as much evidence to support a view that vaccines have likely both saved many lives and destroyed some lives, but from what I’ve read there simply isn’t enough evidence to claim absolute conclusiveness. This is a painfully complicated issue. We want a simple answer. Living with the unknowing in the face of fear is terribly challenging. Even more challenging in the face of grief and loss. The human mind wants answers, and sometimes we just don’t get them (or get them yet), so we take a stance that claims more certainty than it really deserves. I would like to offer that this discomfort of not knowing for sure tempts us to become dogmatic and rigid in our views, and hostile towards those who disagree with or challenge those views. I would also like to suggest that questioning and seeking more information about vaccine safety is a responsible choice. Vaccine advocates who portray all who seek more information about the safety of vaccines as irrational and irresponsible half-wits are taking cheap shots, and taking the easy way out. They are hiding behind the medical orthodoxies of our time, orthodoxies that betray the spirit of good science: open-minded inquiry and a willingness to consider ALL the available evidence, as well as to seek more information if the picture seems incomplete. To claim “100%” certainty about anything generally amounts to pure dogma. You are saying “I know already. Debate over. Mind made up.” In my view, this sort of closed-mindedness is decidedly unscientific. Can we not agree that we are all less certain than we’d like to be, and engage in questioning and debate with respect for each other, remembering that we all want answers for generally the same reasons.

3) When it is suggested that people should consider “both sides of the story”, it is implied that there are only two sides to a story. There are in fact many perspectives and aspects to the story. This kind of oversimplification encourages polemical argument and black & white thinking, neither of which help us to progressively develop an understanding that is closer and closer to the truth.

4) Can we develop a vaccine for fear? Oh right, we have one.


November 8, 2009 at 9:03 pm
(124) Beth says:

Thank you, Elle.

My post #84 contains a link to volumes and volumes of case studies and medical research showing vaccines to cause injury and disease if you are interested.

Here is research performed by Dr. Russell Blalock
“The Vaccine May be More Harmful Than Flu”


Thank you for your input. I hope these miscarriages will stop soon.

November 8, 2009 at 9:08 pm
(125) Elle says:

Oops, meant to say

Respect and Love.

Here’s an excellent article on vaccine representing another perspective entirely than either of those presented here. For my part, I’m inclined to think that the evidence that indicates the possibility that vaccines are causing more harm than the medical establishment admits is compelling enough to merit much further study (not sponsored by the pharmaceutical companies that make the vaccines). This article doesn’t even really examine that question, but rather looks simply at the science that indicates that flu vaccine in general is far less effective than medical and media establishments portray. It’s an excellent article, and if you are an advocate for responsible medicine and health-care science, please read it and pass it on:


November 8, 2009 at 9:39 pm
(126) Pat says:

A friend at work who’s wife is pregnant got the vaccine shot here in Canada about 2 weeks back.

She has NOT miscarried.

People are exploiting people’s fears of vaccination by selling books, ‘herbal remedies’ and other stuff on these conspiracy websites. One could say its just as sick as the big pharmaceuticals raking in record profits.

November 8, 2009 at 9:50 pm
(127) Questioning says:

Pat, it’s great that she hasn’t miscarried :o )
But that doesn’t negate that some women ARE miscarrying after getting the shot. No one here is saying that all pregnant women who get the shot will miscarry – simply that it is happening and that the shot is just not as safe as the medical community claims it is for pregnant women.

November 8, 2009 at 9:58 pm
(128) Beth says:

Pat, It remains to be seen if your friend’s baby will have defects from the vaccine. All the best wishes.
For hundreds of years, herbal remedies were used with success, and still are, before chemicals were manufactured. I have native american friends who only use herbal remedies and are very well. There are choices. Many doctors currently are recommending Vit D against flu instead of the vaccine.
I’m glad your vaccinated friend is fine so far.

November 8, 2009 at 10:09 pm
(129) Pat says:

Dear Questioning.

I question all the people making money exploiting people’s fears especially those like “Dr. Mercola”…even though he really isn’t a real doctor. Or “Hulda Clark”…who claimed she can cure cancer and HIV…for a price. Unfortunately for Hulda Clark she died of cancer and never sought proper medical treatment that could have extended her life on this planet.

They are no different than the people, groups, industry they criticize. Sure do your research but watch out for the exploiting quacks.

November 8, 2009 at 10:16 pm
(130) Beth says:


“In 2005, there was a temporary shortage of herb star anise due to its use in making Tamiflu.”

Star anise is an herb currently in shortage worldwide as folks are using it to combat flu, as they have for thousands of years in China.

I never get vaccines and do use herbs, and have remained quite healthy. I am not selling herbs or recommending them. But it is nice to know there are alternatives without life-threatening effects.

Many doctors are using Vit D instead of the vacines to prevent flu, which my friends are choosing.

The vaccine was never tested on pregnant women, til now, and it’s proving to be quite dangerous to some. It does not guarantee immunity from the flu. And again, my entry #84 contains case studies of damages from vaccines.

It’s sad you think herbs are quackery when they healed people for thousands of years and still do. My Native American friends *only* use herbs and are quite well.

It’s nice to know there are options to harmful drugs. The vaccine company turned to herbs to make Tamiflu.

November 8, 2009 at 10:18 pm
(131) D.B. says:

I cannot begin to express how sorry I am that so many women have suffered through a miscarriage after being vaccinated. Please take the time to visit http://vaers.hhs.gov/index (the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) to report what happened to you. Vaccine related incidents are drastically underreported and something of this magnitude needs to be reported.

To those dissenting people, please realize that the H1N1 vaccine has not been determined to be safe for pregnant women and is considered unsafe for children under 6 months of age. If your doctor is telling you that this vaccine is safe for you, ask them what they are basing that upon, given the lack of data to establish the safety of this vaccine. Visit the websites of the vaccine manufacturers to read for yourself what their drug information includes.

November 8, 2009 at 10:24 pm
(132) Beth says:


CBS did an investigative report that proved media was hyping swine flu numbers. They discovered 3 % of those with flu really had swine flu. Yet media was creating fear, and still is, especially with pregnant women to rush to take this untested vaccine.

I would imagine these many miscarriages would benefit from genuine concern and compassion instead of your angry tonality defending these untested vaccines.

November 8, 2009 at 10:29 pm
(133) Pat says:

Beth…all companies use things on this earth to make products. They can’t make them out of thin air. We haven’t developed the ‘replicator’ from Star Trek yet.

Your ‘harmful drugs’ now prevent HIV patients from dying of AIDS. Is Magic Johnson dead from AIDS?…nope.

Yet self help herbal remedies didn’t cure Hulda Clark of cancer. Is she dead from the cancer she said she could cure from herbal remedies…YES.

Really I don’t care about whatever remedies you are or not promoting. This article is about pregnant women fears from the shot and the FACT is my friend’s wife hasn’t miscarried after getting hers. kthxbye.

November 8, 2009 at 10:30 pm
(134) Beth says:


Here are Dr. Mercola’s credentials. He is a licensed physician and surgeon.


* University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 1972-1976
* Chicago College of Osteopathic Medicine 1978-1982
* Chicago Osteopathic Hospital 1982-1985 Family Practice Residency. Chief resident 1984- 1985
* Board Certified American College Osteopathic General Practitioners July 1985
* State of Illinois Licensed Physician and Surgeon

Professional Organizations:

* Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (www.aapsonline.org/aaps)
* Advisory Board member NOHA (Nutrition for Optimal Health Association) (www.nutrition4health.org)
* Advisory Board member Price-Pottinger Nutrition Foundation (www.price-pottenger.org)
* Advisory Board member Weston A. Price Foundation (www.westonaprice.org)
* Advisory Board member Bio-Solar Proto (www.bio-solar.com)


* St. Alexius Medical Center, Hoffman Estates, IL
* Chairman, Department of Family Practice 1988-1993


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Fish Oil Far More Effective Than Aspirin For Pre-eclampsia British Medical Journal September 12, 2003

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Nutritional Ignorance Will Sabotage Treatment British Medical Journal September 13, 2002

Dietary Manipulations That Resolve Atopic Dermatitis British Medical Journal June 7, 2002

Myopia Possible Link to Increased Refined Carbohydrate Intake and Hyperinsulinemia British Medical Journal May 17, 2002

Recent Advances in Nutritional Alternative to Parathyroid Hormone for Osteoporosis British Medical Journal February 26, 2002

Omega-3′s and Childhood Asthma Thorax March 2002:57(3)281

More on Terrorism, Journal American Osteopathic Association (JAOA) January 2002

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Columnist for The Townsend Letter, a nationally prominent alternative medicine periodical, from October 1997 to June 2001

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Better Sleep For Less Pain in Hand Rheumatoid Arthritis Patient Care December 15, 1991 p. 15

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Premarital HIV Testing JAMA 261:2198, April 21, 1989

Served as editor for HIV Monograph by Abbott Laboratories published in 1989 and distributed to physicians nationally

Private Resources Should Share AIDS Funding Responsibility J Amer Osteo Assoc 88:313, March 1988

What Physicians Should Know About AIDS Antibody Testing Osteo Med News December 1988

Premarital HIV Test Is Worth the Money Am Med News p.45 September 9, 1988

Pediatrics and AIDS JAMA 258:3119-3120, December 4, 1987

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NMR Analysis of Human and Rabbit Lens Experimental Eye Research 34:545-552, 1982

November 8, 2009 at 10:37 pm
(135) Beth says:


This page has been chatting about miscarriages after vaccine.

However, you brought up herbs first, so I responded.

Medical doctors and herbal doctors alike die of cancer, etc.

The issue remains that women are having miscarriages after the vaccine and are being told that it is unrelated to the vaccine by their doctors which I find far more frightening than someone mentioning herbs and alternatives to the untested vaccine.

November 8, 2009 at 10:50 pm
(136) Beth says:

And Pat,

We here are concerned that so many women have had miscarriages after a vaccine recently.

Your anger seems to show little concern for these women’s apparent vaccine-related miscarriages.

No one on this page is selling anything.

If you are angry about people selling alternative products, perhaps you should vent that on another site, and instead show some concern for these injured women.

November 8, 2009 at 10:56 pm
(137) Questioning says:

um, yes, I actually replied to you, Pat, referring only to miscarriages following the vaccine and you responded to me by talking about people selling products…

we ARE on topic here…

November 8, 2009 at 11:40 pm
(138) Pat says:

Sorry Beth but he isn’t a real doctor…

In the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, “osteopaths” are trained in osteopathic principles and osteopathic manipulative treatment but are not physicians.

November 8, 2009 at 11:43 pm
(139) Beth says:

Dr. Mercola is a licensed physician and surgeon in Illinois.

November 8, 2009 at 11:46 pm
(140) Beth says:

And again, the subject is vaccine and miscarriages.

November 8, 2009 at 11:47 pm
(141) Pat says:


Where are all these pregnant women who miscarried??

Look at this…800 women got the adjuvant H1N1 vaccine in 1 clinic in just 1 day in Canada…


There must be millions of miscarried women right across Canada then…right???

Where are they all then???

November 8, 2009 at 11:51 pm
(142) Beth says:

You continue to prove yourself to be an uncaring
and unconcerned individual about the women
who have been injured. Only time will reveal
the damage that has been done to their babies.

November 8, 2009 at 11:56 pm
(143) yogameetsdance@Yahoo.com says:


Where are the women who miscarried?
They are showing up on message boards like this and after being told by their doctors, whom sound like you, that their miscarriage is unrelated to the vaccine.

November 9, 2009 at 12:10 am
(144) Beth says:


There may very well be a million miscarriages by now. No one really knows, including you.

If doctors are immediately stating miscarriage is not caused by the vaccine, as they are doing, then women may not know where to go to voice their concerns if the doctors are downplaying it, as it appears. A few have found this obscure chat room and other chat rooms, but only time will tell.

November 9, 2009 at 12:33 am
(145) Pat says:


Where are all the miscarriages??

….answer me please…..

Is the media covering it up??

800 women got vaccinated in one day in one clinic. There should be what according to your hypothesis…700 miscarriages?

How come they aren’t speaking up to the media?

Whats going on Beth??

Please enlighten us all on the vaccine/miscarriage cover up……

Maybe you don’t really care about the families of women who got H1N1 and died (killing both mom and unborn child)…maybe you should think first about the rumors you spread on the internet…




oh look my twitter account says Kayne West died…must be true…

November 9, 2009 at 12:44 am
(146) Pat says:

Beth and yogameetsdance….

Where are all the miscarriages??

….answer me please…..

Is the media covering it up??

800 women got vaccinated in one day in one clinic. There should be what according to your hypothesis…700 miscarriages?

How come they aren’t speaking up to the media?

Whats going on??

Please enlighten us all on the vaccine/miscarriage cover up……

Maybe you 2 don’t really care about the families of women who got H1N1 and died (killing both mom and unborn child)…maybe you should think first about the rumors you spread on the internet…


oh look my twitter account says Kayne West died…must be true…

November 9, 2009 at 1:40 am
(147) Beth says:


I am equally sorry for those who are dying of the flu, however, the vaccine does not guarantee flu prevention which doctors admit, and is no rumor.

It was never tested on pregnant women. That is no rumor.

The vaccine may have been the cause of the dozen miscarriages listed here that immediately followed their vaccine.

I have spoken to a women recently who still has her placenta and fetus after miscarrying after her vaccine. It is no rumor.

I see no rumors, just the sharing and discussion of information by those concerned.

It is sad that people have died of the flu. CDC says about 40,000 die of the flu in the US alone each year.

A woman was in the Montreal news recently who contracted H1N1 after being vaccinated and she died. That news story is available on the internet and is not a rumor.

November 9, 2009 at 1:41 am
(148) Christina says:

P.s. Pat,
Is it really so difficult to believe that the government isn’t broadcasting the adverse effects of the vaccine while they are still trying to vaccinate as many people as possible?
This is the same government that is attempting to take away a persons HUMAN RIGHTS by forcing mass vaccinations.
AND the same government who has legislated legal immunity to the drug companies producing the vaccine.
Please, just do your own research! Your tune may change once you open your mind to the “other side of the story”.

November 9, 2009 at 1:57 am
(149) Beth says:


Because doctors are telling women their miscarriage is absolutely unrelated to the vaccine, women see no need to go to media.

I know of one woman who has already contacted her newstation with placenta, fetus and vaccine record in hand to tell her story. I would imagine the grieving process takes a while before one has the strength to interview on news.

November 9, 2009 at 4:13 am
(150) miscarriage says:

I have removed a few more comments that contained personal insults and other user agreement violations.

I would like to remind anyone reading that if you have miscarried after the H1N1 vaccine to make a report to VAERS. It is believed that somewhere around 400 women in a million will have a miscarriage after this vaccine due to pure chance, so if there are more miscarriages reported to VAERS than would be expected to occur due to chance, then researchers will know that more study is needed. But the studies that have been done on flu vaccination during pregnancy have not revealed any cause for concern, and there is no known scientific reason why flu vaccination in pregnancy would be dangerous. The H1N1 vaccine *is* being studied in pregnant women in their second and third trimesters, and early reports from those studies have also not revealed any cause for concern. The vaccine being used in the United States does not contain squalene or other adjuvants, and it is possible to request a mercury-free shot. More facts are available on the About.com Infectious Diseases site: http://infectiousdiseases.about.com/b/2009/10/13/some-facts-plain-and-simple-about-h1n1-swine-flu.htm

In addition, I would like to point out also that there are also women out there who have miscarried after contracting H1N1 flu, so there is anecdotal evidence on both sides. All women can do is do the best they can, do their research, and discuss the best course of action with their doctors. I know it can be a difficult decision, and I hope additional evidence about vaccine safety in pregnancy will become available in the future. Best wishes to everyone out here, and please keep any discussion here respectful.

November 9, 2009 at 4:15 am
(151) Pat says:

Christina…where are the forced vaccinations???

…please tell me since you have the inside knowledge…

Is Obama a shape shifting reptilian too?

Sorry your sh*t falls short…..

November 9, 2009 at 4:28 am
(152) Pat says:


Fact: 20-50% of miscarriages occur naturally.


Fact: H1N1 vaccine (USA) tested on pregnant women and was deemed safe.


November 9, 2009 at 7:50 am
(153) Nick says:

jmstork / Pat – you both ‘trolls’? Paid for by big pharma perhaps? I find your comments disgusting and patronising.
To those who have lost their babies, my deepest sympathies.
To everyone else, remember that there are those who are not as they appear and will deliberately sow the seeds of doubt and mistrust, why, well that’s another story. Keep the faith.

November 9, 2009 at 8:20 am
(154) Questioning says:

Where is the evidence (and what is it based on) on how many pregnant women have died or miscarried following contracting H1N1 (and just H1N1, not any other flu or illness that resembles it) compared to how many women have miscarried after getting the shot?

Also, with your claim that up to 50% of miscarriages occur naturally, even if a great number of the pregnant women who got vaccinated this weekend do miscarry, people like you who refuse to look at all the angles and issues will dismiss this as being a coincidence and not having to do with the shot. So why are you asking for evidence? AS Beth said, we are starting to hear the stories of the women who have experienced it firsthand. It is happening, whether you want to admit to it or not.

November 9, 2009 at 8:57 am
(155) Beth says:

Here is another story of a women birthing a stillborn baby the morning after her vaccine:


November 9, 2009 at 9:00 am
(156) Beth says:

Entry #74 includes a link that was read on national tv, reading the H1N1 vaccine insert label stating “not tested on pregnant women,” and “safety to pregnant women unknown.” That is in the packing with the vaccine.

Below are more miscarriages after vaccine:

November 9, 2009 at 9:08 am
(157) Beth says:

Legislation has been passed to mandate vaccines in the US, but that legislation has not been enacted on at the present time. Links to this legislation can be provided.

Here is a disturbing article which states vaccine companies have made agreements with media not to report vaccine deaths. Maybe that is why they are not on the media? I dont know.

Yes, women do miscarry at anytime. People die of the flu with or without the vaccine.

However, women *are* having miscarriages a day or two after the vaccine which deems more investigation, and to ignore this fact is not good medicine.

November 9, 2009 at 10:28 am
(158) Tamara Smarch, DC says:

I am anti-vaccine in every way, as I was never vaccinated nor are my children. I have always been very happy knowing my parents chose not to vaccinate me. My dad is a chiropractor, I followed in his footsteps, and I married a chiropractor. Natural health is the way to go. Always listen to yourself and do your research to make informed decisions, especially when it comes to injecting poisons into yourself or your loved ones. It’s great to have supporters that are like-minded and know better….we need to keep spreading the word and educating others! Everyone needs to be comfortable with their decision, but it must also be an INFORMED decision. We don’t need others pushing vaccines. It’s so sad to hear about all of the miscarriages. Recently a pregnant relative was being pressured by her relative on her side of the family to get this vaccine and I’m thankful she listens to me : ) Stay informed and stay strong everyone!

November 9, 2009 at 10:41 am
(159) nick says:

I would also urge you to all read this article:
And this one which details the current cover-up of deaths in Sweden only last week!

November 9, 2009 at 11:03 am
(160) lynn says:

I am 6 weeks pregnant and had the vaccine about a week ago. I also had the seasonal flu vaccine with a reaction of a mild rash on my abdomen for about a week. I have had no complications from the h1n1 vaccine thus far. My 8 year old son is home diagnosed with flu type A…being treated like h1n1. My husband is a physician who is seeing a lot of flu patients in his practice. Our children were not vaccinated but I felt I needed to be because of my exposure to it through my husband’s job and constant exposure. I feel horrible after reading these posts for the women who have lost a baby. I definitely would also see some correlation to getting the vaccine and miscarriage. We will never know the actual reasons but it is best to believe that there is a reason for everything as as time passes, you will heal from this. “And this too shall pass.”

November 9, 2009 at 11:14 am
(161) Beth says:


Thank you for seeing both sides.

There seems to be confusion about the use of squalene.

My doctor said squalene is in the US vaccine as did the doctors in my above post 119 (on national news), and 124.

I read the squalene-free vaccines are in low supply, so it would be necessary for a person to ask their doctor to see the vaccine label insert to know for certain.

While the FDA does not generally approve squalene use in the country in vaccines, they do, however, approve it during “emergency times.”

Since the President just declared an “emergency,” that would permit the use of squalene here.

It’s odd. For every article that says the US is not using squalene, there are more which state they are, so again, I would say someone would need to ask to read the vaccine label to be certain as there are various types of vaccines being used.

It happens all to often that a new drug is rushed to market only to find out months or years later that it was harmful. I hope that is not the case here.

November 9, 2009 at 11:57 am
(162) J says:

I’m 7 months pregnant and had the vaccination 2 weeks ago, I am absolutely terrified after reading this.

November 9, 2009 at 12:04 pm
(163) Beth says:

Pat, your above comment that the vaccine has been tested on pregnant women is misleading. That is a small case study done of only one vaccine maker in the US using additive free vaccines. There are 6 or 7 types of H1N1 vaccine with varying levels of toxic additives by other manufacturers who’s labels read it was not tested on pregnant women, here in the US. Not all H1N1 vaccines were tested on pregnant women, and the vaccine companies admit this, which is obvious by the number of post-vaccine miscarriages listed here and elsewhere.

November 9, 2009 at 1:30 pm
(164) miscarriage says:

Beth, I think you may be thinking of thimerosal. It is true that there is thimerosal (a preservative) in some of the shots being distributed in the US right now, and women who want mercury-free shots do need to request thimerosal-free shots, but there is no squalene in US shots. The same is not true of some other countries (I’m in Sweden and squalene is being used in the shots here, last I heard), but right now, at least, there are no flu shots being distributed in the US with squalene or other adjuvants.

November 9, 2009 at 1:43 pm
(165) Beth says:

Hello Miscarriage,

Thank you. Yes, I am aware of what it says in the CDC website. However, there are still many other reports out there stating. I am dashing to work now but will relay info to you later for your review. All the best.

November 9, 2009 at 1:54 pm
(166) Pat says:

Nick you are so right. I work for big pharma and I post all over the internet to get people to get the vaccine. If all doesn’t go as planned we are gonna force people to take it. Each shot has a microchip which we will use to track people. I’m giving you the inside scoop…please spread this message…..they don’t pay me enough at big pharma. We only will be doing this in the US though because that’s where most people that suffer from paranoid delusions come from…


November 9, 2009 at 2:12 pm
(167) Pat says:


The CDC knows how many miscarriages happen per month on average. If there is a sudden uptick in this number they would see it on the reports coming to their surveillance system. All miscarriages are reportable. If there were huge numbers of them the CDC and health departments around the world would have issued a warning. Only a small handful of people died from E Coli in the US yet they issued warnings.

Pregnant women account for just 1% of the population yet 17% account for all hospitalizations…and 8% of all deaths.



November 9, 2009 at 2:33 pm
(168) Pat says:


Did you even read the links that you posted of the ‘vaccine makers made deal with media’ link??

I’m 100% sure you didn’t. If you had followed the link and read the original article that was posted you would have seen that the conspiracy theory article says the government would not report information regarding the vaccine…NOT a ‘secret deal’ with the media.

Then the ‘secret deal’ pdf in french is mostly legal information that any company would get the government to sign regarding its intellectual property rights and pricing information.


Obviously you don’t read the stuff you post. Some could say you are yelling fire in a crowded theater with your conspiracy theories that seem to mutate as fast as viruses do.

November 9, 2009 at 2:47 pm
(169) RN says:

To anyone that has had a miscarriage, for whatever reason, I am truly sorry for your loss and can’t imagine the pain you must feel.

However, I find it quite odd that 9 out of the first 10 posters on this site all had miscarriages because of the H1N1 vax, but once the debate got started, there have only been a couple others that said they miscarried in the last 155 posts. Once the miscarriage reports stopped, one person seems to be generating the majority of the posts. Am I the only person that’s noticed that? Is that a fluke?

November 9, 2009 at 3:04 pm
(170) collbean says:

OK….everyone…..first off, has anyone bothered to read up on the statistics on miscarriage? The miscarriage rate is approximately 40-50%….yes that means 1 in every 2-3 pregnancies will result in miscarriage. This number is both alarming and tragic :( I am so very sorry for every woman (like myself) that has had to go through the loss of a child through miscarriage. It’s heartbreaking when something happens without explanation. Knowing this, might change what we feel about the vaccination being to blame. I am not in ANY way trying to say that this isn’t the case…as NO ONE knows for a fact either way. I just wanted to point out that with the statistical miscarriage percentage in mind….the number of women posting here that lost their precious babes due to miscarriage, doesn’t seem to be any higher with the vaccination factored in.

I am SO VERY sorry for those of you who have lost a child, no parent should ever have to feel that measure of pain.

November 9, 2009 at 3:26 pm
(171) Beth says:

Here is another link where women are reporting their vaccine miscarriages:

Do your own internet searches on the alleged ‘contracts between media and vaccine companies to not report vaccine-related deaths’ as well. Not sure if it is true, as I said before, however, it is out there for you to research and determine for yourself, if I posted the incorrect link.

One person dies of swine flu and the national news announces it with panic. However, dozens and dozens of women reporting miscarriages and it is not on news. Perhaps they will be on the news soon to prevent this tragedy from continuing.

Be well.

November 9, 2009 at 3:29 pm
(172) Beth says:

This women received a vaccine and within hours contracted pain and birthed a still born baby the next morning. Mind you, this was immediately after the vaccine:

November 9, 2009 at 3:31 pm
(173) Gabriela says:


Estimated Enrollment: 120(!)
Study Start Date: September 2009
Estimated Study Completion Date: July 2010
Estimated Primary Completion Date: July 2010 (Final data collection date for primary outcome measure)

Not good enough for me!!!!

and also see:http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1711%3Aswedish-boy-aged-4-close-to-death-from-qswine-fluq-vaccine&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en

November 9, 2009 at 3:32 pm
(174) Beth says:

It baffles me that if a woman has a miscarriage during the flu, the flu is the immediate cause for miscarriage, and reason why pregnant women should rush to be vaccinated. However, if a woman has a miscarriage the day after a vaccine, they are told it is *no* the vaccine.
I’m sorry. That makes no sense.

November 9, 2009 at 3:40 pm
(175) Gabriela says:

H1N1 Vaccine in Pregnant Women


sorry, I sent a wrong web side, so here it is again

November 9, 2009 at 4:23 pm
(176) RN says:

Beth, your links that you keep posting for reports of this huge number of women miscarrying are nowhere in the ballpark of providing hard data. If you truly want to provide people with information, please provide them with unbiased scientific information other than posts from a birth club board or facebook with claims that can’t be verified. Your links make it obvious to anyone with common sense that you are fear mongering for your own agenda.

And I repeat the *indisputable* fact I said earlier – 90% of the first posters that responded had miscarriages from H1N1 vax. Once the debate started, only 1% of posters have reported miscarriages. That’s a huge difference. Why was it that basically all the first posters claimed to have miscarriages but hardly any did after the debate started? Is it a coincidence that once the reports of miscarriages stopped, that practically every other post is from you attempting to scare people into not vaccinating? You are a discredit to people that choose not to vaccinate themselves or their children because you stoop to scare tactics rather than provide any real information to back up what you say.

November 9, 2009 at 4:39 pm
(177) RN says:

Oh and Beth, to refute your earlier claim that all H1N1 vaccines contain squalene which has caused birth defects in Gulf War vets’ kids… there is NO squalene used in the US as an adjuvant. Some other countries are using it, but not in the US. Squalene is a naturally occurring chemical that is present in the human body. WHO (you know that little unheard of group called the World Health Organization?) has published reports on that, as well as the fact that other countries in Europe have been using it as an adjuvant in MILLIONS of vaccines for the last 12 years without any reports of significant adverse reactions. I don’t know about most people that read these comments, but I find an organization like WHO to be able to provide a little better scientific info than Facebook or Not Another Conspiracy Site. You can look this info up yourself on Google.

And there is yet to be any proof that Gulf War Syndrome is linked to the use of squalene in vaccines for soldiers. I guess we’re supposed to forget the soldiers’ reporting what they believed to be exposure to chemical agents while serving in the Gulf. What do they know? Just because they actually experienced an exposure, why believe them? Let’s blame it on vaccines.

November 9, 2009 at 5:04 pm
(178) Anastasia says:

To J – I just wanted to let you know that I did read your post and that I will be praying that you and your baby will be safe.

Try not to be frightened, just listen to your body’s signals and if anything feels “off” go see your doctor. You may also want to find a holistic healthcare practitioner in your area.

I have always found that my friends who have an entire “healthcare team” during their pregnancies were able to make the most informed decisions. Sure, have an OB/GYN but also have a nutritionalist, a lactation specialist and definitely a family wellness chiropractor.

Chiropractic care during pregnancy is one of the best things that you can do for you and your baby.

With a strong team behind you, you’ll have all the information you need to make the best decisions for you and your baby.

Oh, and for more information on prenatal chiropractic care you should go to http://www.icpa4kids.org. I’ve found some great information there.

Finally, I would say that based on the posts from the other women here who have tragically lost their babies following the vaccine, that you shouldn’t be frightened. You had the vaccine two weeks ago and these poor women lost their babies within days.

Try not to be frightened. Remember that lots of people care about you and your baby and we’re all sending positive thoughts and prayers your way.

God bless!

November 9, 2009 at 5:40 pm
(179) Anastasia says:

To RN: my sister joined the military and was given a huge dose of vaccines all at once. I’m sure you’re familiar with that government practice. She didn’t serve in the Gulf War but went to Korea for a short time.

She now, inexplicably, has fibroymyalgia and more health problems than any ten other family members combined. Oh, but I’m sure it has nothing to do with squalene, right?

Just a fluke, just a coincidence, right?

I think that the fact that doctors are telling these women that their miscarriages “can’t be” related to the vaccine is irresponsible and cruel, which no one has yet refuted.

Once again, I’m going to repeat that this seems to have gotten very off-topic and pretty insulting to those poor women who have miscarried within days and sometimes hours of getting a flu vaccine (whether typical or H1N1).

To those poor women, I would repeat what the host of this message board keeps repeating: contact VAERS and be heard.

God bless you all.

November 9, 2009 at 7:53 pm
(180) Questioning says:


are you saying that because no one else has come on and posted about miscarrying that the ones who did aren’t valid?

I still have yet to see any concrete numbers on how many women have lost their babies due to actually getting H1N1.

You wrote to Beth “Beth, your links that you keep posting for reports of this huge number of women miscarrying are nowhere in the ballpark of providing hard data. If you truly want to provide people with information, please provide them with unbiased scientific information other than posts from a birth club board or facebook with claims that can’t be verified.” RN, that’s the point. There is NO information either way, and that’s what those of us who are questioning the vaccine want – hard data. The vaccines haven’t been tested on pregnant women, there is no long-term follow-up to see how the babies are, there’s isn’t even a follow-up with the pregnant women to see how many have miscarriages after the flu shot. There is NO information and that is the problem that many of us here are trying to bring to light.

As far as fear-mongering is concerned – what do you think big pharma and the medical community and the media are doing? And without the scientific data to back it up.

I am open to all sides of this issue – are you?

November 9, 2009 at 10:13 pm
(181) NaturalMystkMama says:

I am TTC (trying to conceive) my third baby. I will not be getting any vaccines. Neither will my children. I’m so sorry for the losses you Mama’s have had to endure. This is awful! I truly hope there is some kind of study done on this or at least the word gets out. I bet there are a lot of recently vax’d, grieving mothers out there that are wondering why they miscarried. It probably just hasn’t clicked in their heads that the vax may have been the cause.
Vaccines have rarely been safe in the past for Pregnant women, why are they suddenly safe now?

November 9, 2009 at 11:48 pm
(182) Nuff Said says:

With the new law in effect-
No One or Company can be held responsible for the harm that may come from Vaccinations.
That is plenty of reason for me not to trust them.
That’s like saying, I’m a licensed daycare provider and If your kid gets hurt here, it’s not my fault. oops sorry…
Would you trust them?
nuff said!

November 10, 2009 at 2:11 am
(183) Pat says:

Just for the record…especially those reading this who think “I’m a government/vaccine agent”.

I am neither for nor against vaccines. I wouldn’t want something in my body if I didn’t need it. On the other hand there are a lot of pregnant women who are catching the flu and are dying (or are losing their child also). Its up to the mother (and husband) and their family doctor to decide.

I am against internet rumors though….even on here I simply posted a comment about a friend of mine’s (and coworker) wife and got spammed by the ‘anti-vac conspiracy theorist crowd’. It pissed me right off because its like I can’t state something without someone being all in my face about it. And if you state an opposing opinion you are then deemed to be a ‘paid promoter’ or ‘government agent’. But hey it is the internet so…it is what it is…

November 10, 2009 at 5:36 am
(184) nick says:

185 – Pat. If you’re neither for nor against the vaccine then why are all your posts FOR the vaccine? Nice touch bringing in ‘Conspiracy’ – that automatically frightens people into believing that being against official dogma is to BE a Conspiracy Theorist – almost as bad as being branded with the ‘Cult’ label. And then you back it up with spamming and being ‘hounded’ etc., etc.
Fact is this is never going to be proven one way or the other as there just doesn’t exist the will or the mechanics to categorically state whether the vaccine is harmful or not. However, there IS plenty of circumstantial evidence to state that the risk is far higher than most people believe.
In terms of proof – well there is vertical evidence in the form of the 60 mins episode from 1976 (or there about) which covered the CDC coverup of the initial swine flu nonsense in the US where it was deliberately ramped (and falsely) following the death of a soldier to get the public on-side. Next followed the vaccination program and how many people ended up with Guillain-Barré syndrome.
So do your homework and decided for yourself, and if you sit on the fence, then your voice doesn’t deserve to be heard.

November 10, 2009 at 8:18 am
(185) Questioning says:

you wrote: “On the other hand there are a lot of pregnant women who are catching the flu and are dying (or are losing their child also). ”

where are THOSE stats? how many women exactly, from H1N1, and how does that compared to how many have died or lost babies after the seasonal flu?

you want Beth to back up her statements, so where is the back-up for yours? I’m not saying it’s not happening, but where are the concrete numbers to support all the fear-mongering that is driving all these pregnant women to get vaccinated? I am pregnant, I have heard it all about how I should get the shot but with no scientific back-up re safety AND no back-up about how so many pregnant women are dying of H1N1. So how is that not a myth/rumor too?

November 10, 2009 at 9:33 am
(186) Michal says:

You must see!!!!

Polish Health Ministry on swine flu jabs issues A/H1N1 ( visit count unfroze again… :)


November 10, 2009 at 9:50 am
(187) nick says:

187 – Questioning: Exactly, well said. C’mon Pat – where’s the evidence?!

November 10, 2009 at 9:52 am
(188) Questioning says:

By the way, Pat, don’t play the victim, you didn’t just “simply posted a comment about a friend of mine’s (and coworker) wife and got spammed by the ‘anti-vac conspiracy theorist crowd’.”

You followed up your comment, in the same post, with derogatory comments about those people who are questioning the use of the vaccine on pregnant women:

“A friend at work who’s wife is pregnant got the vaccine shot here in Canada about 2 weeks back.

She has NOT miscarried.

People are exploiting people’s fears of vaccination by selling books, ‘herbal remedies’ and other stuff on these conspiracy websites. One could say its just as sick as the big pharmaceuticals raking in record profits.”

November 10, 2009 at 9:54 am
(189) Michal says:


The Polish Health Minister and family doctor Ewa Kopacz has said she will only sign a contract for the swine flu jabs if pharmaceutical companies agree to accept liability and take responsibility for paying compensation in the even that the vaccines cause damage or death.

“I will sign only when pharamceutical companies take responsibility of the vaccines.I guarantee it,” Kopacz is reported to have said on Polish TV.

The unwillingness of the pharmaceutical companies to accept any liability for their vaccines has fuelled fears that they are well aware of how pontentially damaging these jabs are, especially for children and pregnant women, and have positioned themselves in advance to avoid claims.

Pharmaceutical companies have not conducted clinical trials on the new vaccines contanining mercury and squalene. The safety and effectiveness of the swine flu vaccine does not have to be proven before they are administered to people under special pandemic emergency vaccine approval guidelines issued by the European drug regulator, the EMEA..

The Europen Union has also passed a decree that gives pharmaceutical companies blanket immunity in the event of their vaccines causing damaging if a pandemic emergency is declared.

November 10, 2009 at 10:17 am
(190) Michal says:


Letter from Ms Prof Dr Maria Dorota Majewska the deaths of mandatory vaccines in Poland, containing lethal doses of mercury.

Marie Curie Chair of the European Commission
Department of Pharmacology
Professor Maria Dorota Majewska

As you know, mercury in the form of thimerosal was and still is added to many infant vaccines in Poland (the detailed list is quoted later in the text). Mercury in any form is very toxic, as evidenced by more than 4100 publications in PubMed on the subject and long experience of mankind. Organic mercury compound, thimerosal (sodium ethylmercurithiosalicylate), containing by weight about 49% of mercury, produced in 1930. by Eli Lilly for several years was added as a germicide and preservative for vaccines and other drugs without providing the rigorous testing of its safety. This is inconsistent with today’s practice, the acceptance of chemical preparations for use in medicine. Mercury is neurotoxic, cardiotoxic, hepatoksyczna, nephrotoxic, immunotoxic, carcinogenic. Cause developmental disorders in children, neurodegenerative diseases in adults (Parkinson and Alzheimer) and degenerative changes in the reproductive systems of men and women, impaired reproductive capacity, and their damaging offspring (review: http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0073 . htm).

Amount of organic mercury to which man is exposed, considered safe by the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency), is 0.1 mg / kg / day (http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0073.htm) are similar to European standards. And the total quantity of which was injected once in 3 infants vaccines – DTP, Hib and Hep B – was 62.5 micrograms, which for a 5-pound infant exceeded 125 times the safe dose.

November 10, 2009 at 10:58 am
(191) Questioning says:

In Canada, the shot does contain thimerosal and squalene. Here, too, pharma is not liable for effects of the shot.

November 10, 2009 at 12:52 pm
(192) Michal says:

what do you do to stop it
vaccination ?

November 10, 2009 at 1:36 pm
(193) RN says:

Anastasia, I’m sorry your sister has health problems. Since you appear to blame the squalene in her vaxes, you do have proof that there was squalene in every vax she received, right? I can answer that for you – no. The DOD denies that there was any squalene used in the military vaxes – you can take that with a grain of salt. However, it has been well documented that even people who have never received squalene vaxes have squalene antibodies in their blood. So how do you know that squalene is to blame for your sister’s problems? How do you, or anyone else for that matter, know that squalene causes any problems? It’s found in the human body, people ingest it, people use it in cosmetics, Europe has used it in millions & millions of vaxes. The only time people start screaming it’s a problem is when it’s used in vaccines. Who knows if it causes a problem? I don’t know that and you don’t know that. My point is that it is yet more info being given as “proof” when it doesn’t prove anything. And what else, besides vaxes, may your sister have been exposed to that your other family members haven’t been? I’m assuming she ate lots & lots of processed foods, loaded with chemicals. I don’t know what kind of job she did in the military, so she could possibly have been exposed to who knows what. My husband, in addition to vaxes, was exposed to lots of radiation due to his job in the military, as well as tons of processed food. Fortunately, he’s healthy as a horse, but if he were to have health problems, we wouldn’t be able to narrow it down to just vaccine exposure, if that makes any sense.

Questioning, I’m not saying that b/c no more women are posting that they’ve miscarried on this board any longer that it isn’t really happening. It may totally be possible that women are miscarrying after the vax and it may be possible that women are miscarrying and it is completely unrelated to the vax. I’m saying that it looks a little suspicious that it went from such a large percentage of posters saying they miscarried to basically none once a debate got started and an antivaxer started dominating the comments. Those women that posted may have really miscarried but there is no way to know. I take anything I read on the internet witha grain of salt.

I’m not promoting the vax, but I’m also not for promoting not vaxing by scare tactics and misinformation. The vaccine is being tested on pregnant women. There are thousands of women in this country that miscarry everyday, completely unrelated to vaccines. I also want to see some hard data, but I refuse to accept unverifiable claims on facebook or conspiracy websites as any type of “proof”.

uno_who, you referred to me as “supposed” RN, those are my initials, genius, not my profession. Another reason why you can’t believe everything you see on the internet without digging deeper. Since you seem to be an expert on morons (as in takes one to know one), I guess that explains why you assumed I was a nurse, assumed I was a government shill and assumed I was promoting vaccines without any evidence to back that up. I never said that I promoted vaccines – I’m not even a person that goes out & gets vaxes for myself or my family. My point is that by Beth’s “fear mongering” and ridiculous links as “proof”, she makes those of us who choose to not vax our kids look like tin foil hat wearing idiots. There are plenty of valid reasons to choose to not vax, subscribing to the black helicopter theory isn’t one of them.

November 10, 2009 at 2:05 pm
(194) Questioning says:

why is it considered scare tactics and misinformation to bring up different viewpoints and stories??

who would want to come on here and post that they miscarried after having the vaccine after seeing the ridicule offered by people who don’t believe it happened?

November 10, 2009 at 3:22 pm
(195) RN says:

Questioning, why is it considered ridicule if people don’t believe the miscarriages were related to the vaccine? There’s a big difference in ridiculing someone and stating you don’t believe something. Maybe I missed something, but I’ve only seen the latter.

You seem to be saying it’s okay for antivaxers to post whatever they want, true or not, because they are “bringing up different viewpoints”. But you also seem to be saying that it’s not okay for people that don’t buy into it due to the lack of proof to post because they are only “offering ridicule”. People are allowed to believe whatever they want, but it’s hypocritical to defend antivaxers as enlightening people with their viewpoints but denounce provaxers that are doing the exact same thing. Why are provaxers or people that want proof that the vax is causing miscarriages not allowed to express their viewpoint & stories too?

November 10, 2009 at 3:34 pm
(196) Sonya McLeod says:

Have you experienced side effects from the H1N1 vaccine? Then I would like to interview you.


November 10, 2009 at 3:46 pm
(197) Beth says:

There are too too many miscarriages *after* vacccine to discount it. Ladies, surf the internet for “vaccine miscarriages.” There are many.

Here are a few of the insert package labels for vaccines to determine if your vaccine contained squalene. The US has purchased millions of vaccines with squalene.

Again, do your own research, ladies, and do not let the heartless medical community or irresponsible, legally immune vaccine companies bully you into thinking your vaccine was not related to your many miscarriages.

Vaccine makers and varying ingredients:

November 10, 2009 at 3:51 pm
(198) Stunned says:

many other sad stories out there not on this site about women miscarrying a day or two after the regular flu or the h1n1 vaccines.

women are being told the vaccine didn’t cause the miscarriage. what a messed up medical system.

November 10, 2009 at 3:54 pm
(199) Beth says:

Surf the net for squalene in H1N1 vaccines and do your own research, Ladies.

The medical community has proved itself not trustworthy to continue vaccinating pregnant women after so many have reported on this site and other internet sites.

November 10, 2009 at 3:56 pm
(200) Beth says:
November 10, 2009 at 4:23 pm
(201) Beth says:

See Facebook page
“Refusing the H1N1″
It contains some good information, as well as more miscarriage stories.


November 10, 2009 at 4:31 pm
(202) Beth says:

The media is fear mongering pregnant women to get vaccines which are causing miscarriages.

November 10, 2009 at 4:40 pm
(203) Beth says:

All conspiracy theories aside, women *are* miscarrying at alarming rates after being vaccinated.

November 10, 2009 at 4:57 pm
(204) Questioning says:

“Questioning, why is it considered ridicule if people don’t believe the miscarriages were related to the vaccine? There’s a big difference in ridiculing someone and stating you don’t believe something. Maybe I missed something, but I’ve only seen the latter.”

Some of the “pro-vax” posts here have been ridiculing those who are questioning the safety of vaccinating pregnant women. That’s why I say that. It doesn’t make for a safe space for women to tell their story, if they’re fragile from such an experience – they won’t want to post where people are saying that internet stories are worthless, that their stories mean nothing. I have miscarried in the past so I know how it feels to be in that fragile space.

“You seem to be saying it’s okay for antivaxers to post whatever they want, true or not, because they are “bringing up different viewpoints”. But you also seem to be saying that it’s not okay for people that don’t buy into it due to the lack of proof to post because they are only “offering ridicule”. People are allowed to believe whatever they want, but it’s hypocritical to defend antivaxers as enlightening people with their viewpoints but denounce provaxers that are doing the exact same thing. Why are provaxers or people that want proof that the vax is causing miscarriages not allowed to express their viewpoint & stories too?”

Hypocrisy is exactly what I’m trying to point out here. I have no problem with people expressing their point of view. My issue is with people requesting proof that the miscarriages are caused by the vaccine, when these same people have no data or proof themselves that the vaccine has been tested on pregnant women and has proven long-term safety. We are being told by the medical community, the pharmaceutical companies and the media that the vaccine is safe for pregnant women and that h1N1 increases a pregnant woman’s chances of dying. Yet no one has provided any stats on how many pregnant women have died of H1N1 compared to the regular seasonal flu, compared to non-flu life – just as there is no information on how many miscarriages have occurred following the H1N1 vaccine.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, I don’t wear a tin hat – but I am a pregnant woman who is incensed at being told that the shot is safe and necessary for me and my baby – based on NO scientific evidence.

November 10, 2009 at 5:01 pm
(205) Beth says:

No conspiracy theories. Just facts– women are miscarrying after vaccines.
Here is another link to read the insert labels of vaccines:

November 10, 2009 at 5:09 pm
(206) Beth says:

Vaccine companies do not guarantee their products as safe or effected. There are no warranties or guarantees with a vaccine.

If I buy a brand new car and the next day the brakes go out, the car company is liable for my injuries. Not the case with vaccines. They claim no responsibility.

November 10, 2009 at 5:09 pm
(207) Mamabear says:

I’m sorry for all the loss in these women, however, at this point, these women are looking for a reason, they want to find someone or something to blame. I think a lot of this is a coincidence, especially without any statistics. I am not one for the vaccine in any age group, but I only think that it seems like so many are miscarrying because they all want to blame the vaccine. I understand that, I would probably do the same, and when my child died at 25 weeks, I looked to house mould to blame for it.
I’d like to see more women here who have had the shot and not miscarried, but of course that won’t happen. Why would it when they are not the ones looking for a reason to their poor situation?

November 10, 2009 at 5:33 pm
(208) luminous says:

I was raised by parents who do not trust vaccines and neither my siblings nor myself have ever been vaccinated. We are some of the healthiest people I know, and I am so sad for the losses of all the mothers-to-be. I am skeptical of the new vaccine because of its lack of testing, and urge anybody to speak against its forced use on young and pregnant people.

November 10, 2009 at 5:40 pm
(209) Beth says:

Thank you, Luminous.

And there are have been too many miscarriages after vaccines to not see a connection. They are posted all over the internet.

November 10, 2009 at 5:46 pm
(210) mary says:

I am terribly sorry for your losses. I miscarried many years ago and the grief was nearly overwhelming. However, for what it’s worth:

Squalene is not and never has been included in US vaccines, including the anthrax vaccination. Please look this up and you will see what I’m talking about. Squalene, an adjuvant, is used only in Europe.

I’m not arguing the questionable advisability of vaccinating women with this (or anything, really) during pregnancy, but we would all be better off not to fall for scare tactics and misinformation.

November 10, 2009 at 5:50 pm
(211) Beth says:

I think everyone needs to do their own research. Surf the internet for yourself to see squalene in h1n1 vaccines in the US, as *doctors* have reported it in vaccines here.

It was due to scare tactics in the media that pregnant women got vaccines to begin with, and immediately miscarried a day or two later.

November 10, 2009 at 6:05 pm
(212) Beth says:

I hope you are right about squalene not being used. A doctor specializing in infectious disease reported the vaccines to have squalene, on national tv. There are mixed messages out there, so who does one believe?

November 10, 2009 at 6:09 pm
(213) Beth says:

Hi Mary,

FDA admitted squalene was in some anthrax vaccines:

If you surf the net for that topic, you will find an NBC reporter wrote an entire book on it.

Again, there is varying info out there, so it’s hard to know who to believe. Especially pregnant women should be asking more questions and reading labels prior to being vaccinated based on the recent miscarriages after vaccination stated here and on other websites.

With that said, I hope you are right, Mary. Varying reports are confusing.

November 10, 2009 at 6:14 pm
(214) mary paddock says:

I opted to vaccinate my children on a modified schedule, well after known side effects would be an issue, and I skipped some vaccinations outright. But I made this decision based on research and a lot of heart searching. I made this decision when the rest of the herd was lining up for vaccines without questioning the side effects. In those days there was no internet, just a very small population of us questioning the mainstream approach to raising children. My sons are all teens now. One of them has Asperger’s (and he wasn’t vaccinated until well after he began to exhibit symptoms). On the other hand, I am extremely allergic to thimersol.

So as an experienced mother of four (who has also experienced the heartbreak of miscarriage), I am challenging you to do the same thing I did. Check the agenda of every doctor who is for and against this vaccine and ask yourself what they have to gain from it. As my dad used to say, “Always find out what they’re selling before you believe what they say.” The ones who are against it are very often pedaling their own preventative wares. And you already know what those who are for it are interested in.

We do ourselves and our children no favors by succumbing to rumors. It upsets me when I see people taking word of mouth as gospel truth. It makes us look hysterical and uninformed and invalidates our arguments.

Here is a link that will provide you with information from the inserts themselves. Please read them at length. Take note of the fact that there is no squalene in any of them (at least not in this year’s batch). The other stuff? You’ll have to draw that conclusion yourself. And, yes, I saw the bit about “not approved for . . .”


and, for what it’s worth . . .


November 10, 2009 at 6:17 pm
(215) Questioning says:

Squalene is not just used in Europe, it is also in the Canadian H1N1 vaccine.


That’s the link to the manufacturer’s info on the vaccine. See page 22 for the ingredients.

November 10, 2009 at 6:19 pm
(216) Beth says:

Hi Mary,

I just did some more surfing because I do not want to spread mis-information.

Gary Matsumoto, a journalist based in New York City, has reported from thirty-two different countries on five continents, covered two wars and five popular uprisings, and won ten journalism awards. He has been the London Bureau Manager and Chief Foreign Correspondent for NBC Radio News; a National Correspondent for NBC’s Weekend Today Show and Senior Correspondent for the Fox News Channel. As a broadcaster, he has covered events ranging from the toppling of the Communist Party in Eastern Europe to Desert Storm, the Tiananmen Square massacre to the death of Princess Diana. He has written about the anthrax letter attacks for the Washington Post and Science magazine. His 1998 article in Vanity Fair was the first to draw the connection between the anthrax vaccine and Gulf War Syndrome.
Here is his book .

I do not want to be accused of spreading mis-information and therefore wanted to provide this info. Some say squalene is used, some say not. Both sides of the coin exist out there so I guess again it boils down to reading labels, I would think.

I would hope squalene is not being used, but there are varying reports, so I am concerned.

November 10, 2009 at 6:29 pm
(217) Confused says:

I have been reviewing many of the comments on here after a friend sent this link to me. I am “supposed” to get my H1N1 vaccination this week. I am 14 weeks pregnant. We have heard our baby and seen our baby through ultrasound. At this time we know everything is great and both baby and I are healthy. I am extremely skeptical about getting the vaccination after reading these comments. I am also very heartbroken for all the women that had to go through such a tragic loss. If anyone has any advice for me, please help!!!!

November 10, 2009 at 6:35 pm
(218) Questioning says:

Confused – I would say – follow your gut.

November 10, 2009 at 6:44 pm
(219) mystic_eye_cda says:

c at 25 weeks,

In Canada the vaccine with the adjuvant is not approved for use in pregnant women under 20 weeks, though for high risk women they are recommending using it anyway.

The non-adjuvanted version for pregnant women “should” be available. I’ve heard conflicting reports, from what I can tell there are two versions without adjunctive one made in Australia and one being made in Quebec. The one from Quebec is in stock now (though I’ve also heard its the AU one that’s here). One is approved for sale in Canada (usually reported as the AU one). The other is awaiting final approval.

From what I can tell no one has a bloody clue but anyway. The WHO originally said no adjunctive for pregnant women but has since changed their mind so most places are using the adjuctive ones when they do not have the non-adjuctive one. Reportedly one country in the EU has banned the use of the H1N1 vaccine entirely. In EU adjuvants are more commonly used including in the seasonal flu shot.

So to sum it up, in Canada, the non-adjuvant vaccine is recommended for women <20 weeks pregnant, it either is available now or is waiting approval and will be soon. The one with adjuvant is also considered "acceptable" for pregnant women.

November 10, 2009 at 6:49 pm
(220) mary says:

Let me try this again. Here is the link to the FDA’s site which contains PDFs of the various inserts that accompany vaccines. Please note the lack of squalene (and all it’s names). And, yes, I saw the bit about “not approved for pregnant women, etc”. Very disconcerting, but somewhat beside the point I’m making.


And for what it’s worth:


Please note, that I myself opted to vaccinate my children selectively on a modified schedule during the pre-internet years in which this was not a popular decision (My four sons are now teens and young adults). I based this decision on my own research. I did not accept the word of doctors, chiropractors, herbal specialists, or naturopaths. My dad had a saying, “Before you accept someone’s word as the gospel truth, always ask to see what they’re selling.” Too many people have a stake in whether or not you accept the vaccine and this includes those who tell you not to take it. You must arm yourself with information, not second and third hand gossip, or video clips from You-Tube. Always, always find out for yourself what is and is not true.

November 10, 2009 at 6:57 pm
(221) akmom says:

I hope everyone who suffered a miscarriage and believes it to be related to their H1N1 vaccine is reporting it to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) found at this link:


Please, please file a report!

November 10, 2009 at 7:01 pm
(222) mary says:

Let me try this again. Here is the link to the FDA’s site which contains PDFs of the various inserts that accompany vaccines. Please note the lack of squalene (and all it’s names). And, yes, I saw the bit about “not approved for pregnant women, etc”. Very disconcerting, but somewhat beside the point I’m making.

FDA’s Site

And for what it’s worth (this one came from PBS’s news site, dated yesterday):

The US is Passing on unapproved adjuvants, despite shortages

Please note, that I myself opted to vaccinate my children selectively

on a modified schedule during the pre-internet years in which this

was not a popular decision (My four sons are now teens and young

adults). I based this decision on my own research. I did not accept

the word of doctors, chiropractors, herbal specialists, or

naturopaths. My dad had a saying, “Before you accept someone’s word

as the gospel truth, always ask to see what they’re selling.” Too

many people have a stake in whether or not you accept the vaccine and

this includes those who tell you not to take it. You must arm

yourself with information, not second and third hand gossip, or video

clips from You-Tube. Always, always find out for yourself what is

and is not true.

November 10, 2009 at 7:16 pm
(223) Beth says:

I personally would not receive a vaccine while pregnant
based on my own research and the testimonies of a dozen women here and many more throughout the internet who have miscarried a day or two after vaccination. The vaccine does not guarantee safety or guarantee to protect you from the flu.

Thank goodness for youtubes and google where folks can report their experiences outside of mainstream media.

The media has not picked up these and many other miscarriage stories yet, so thank goodness we have the internet and youtube, and can do our own research.

Do your own research.

November 10, 2009 at 7:33 pm
(224) Beth says:

You have to do your own research and make your own decision. Follow what you feel is right for you.
All the best

November 10, 2009 at 7:38 pm
(225) Beth says:


The problem there is “no hard data” out there this moment about vaccines causing miscarriages is because doctors are immediately telling women the miscarriage is unrelated.

The only “data” we have are the women who were posting here and those who are now posting elsewhere. If you surf the net for vaccine miscarriages, there is alot.

The fact that no “hard data” exists, is the fault of the medical community for not compiling.

Women are telling their stories and being discounted.

Thank goodness they are speaking up on chat boards since their doctors are not listening to them.

November 10, 2009 at 8:30 pm
(226) Questioning says:

I think that one of the confusing things about the whole situation is that countries around the world have different vaccines. Is it Switzerland that banned theirs? I can’t remember but after reading about that I looked it up and theirs had a lot of other contaminants in it. They’re not the same around the world. In Canada, we have one manufacturer and ours has squalene. In the US, the vaccine is made by 4 different companies. One claims it’s safe after 6 months, the other says not to be used under 4 years of age. What IS consistent, however, is the lack of testing with pregnant women.

Squalene is a toxin but it’s not the only issue, neither is thimerosal. There are also issues of tampering with a pregnant woman’s immune system.

Anyhow, here are some bits from the 4 American manufacturers’ leaflets:


8.1 Pregnancy
Pregnancy Category C: Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or FLUVIRIN. It is also not known whether Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or FLUVIRIN can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity. Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed.
8.3 Nursing Mothers
It is not known whether FLUVIRIN or Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine is excreted in human milk. Because many drugs are excreted in human milk, caution should be exercised when Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine is administered to a nursing woman.
Pediatric Use
Safety and effectiveness in pediatric subjects below the age of 4 years have not been established. [see ADVERSE REACTIONS (6) and CLINICAL STUDIES (14)]

12.1 Mechanism of Action
Influenza illness and its complications follow infection with influenza viruses. Global surveillance of influenza identifies yearly antigenic variants. For example, since 1977, antigenic variants of influenza A (H1N1 and H3N2) viruses and influenza B viruses have been in global circulation. Specific levels of hemagglutination inhibition (HI) antibody titers post-vaccination with inactivated influenza virus vaccine have not been correlated with protection from influenza illness. In some human studies, antibody titer of ≥1:40 have been associated with protection from influenza illness in up to 50% of subjects [see REFERENCES (15.2, 15.3)].
Antibody against one influenza virus type or subtype confers limited or no protection against another. Furthermore, antibody to one antigenic variant of influenza virus might not protect against a new antigenic variant of the same type or subtype.
13.1 Carcinogenesis, Mutagenesis, Impairment of Fertility
Neither FLUVIRIN nor the Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine have been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or for impairment of fertility.

CSL Limited:

• This indication is based on the immune response elicited by the seasonal trivalent Influenza Virus Vaccine manufactured by CSL (AFLURIA). CSL’s Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine and AFLURIA are manufactured by the same process. There have been no controlled clinical studies demonstrating a decrease in influenza disease after vaccination with AFLURIA. (14)

Immunocompromised persons may have a diminished immune response to Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine. (5.2) [so... the very people who are recommended to get vaccinated?]

•Safety and effectiveness of Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine have not been established in pregnant women or nursing mothers and in the pediatric population below 6 months of age

6.3 Postmarketing Experience
Because postmarketing reporting of adverse reactions is voluntary and from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequency or establish a causal relationship to vaccine exposure. The adverse reactions described have been included in this section because they: 1) represent reactions that are known to occur following immunizations generally or influenza immunizations specifically; 2) are potentially serious; or 3) have been reported frequently. These adverse reactions reflect experience in both children and adults and include those identified during post-approval use of AFLURIA outside the US since 1985.

Blood and lymphatic system disorders

Transient thrombocytopenia

Immune system disorders

Allergic reactions including anaphylactic shock and serum sickness

Nervous system disorders

Neuralgia, paresthesia, and convulsions; encephalopathy, neuritis or neuropathy, transverse myelitis, and GBS

Vascular disorders

Vasculitis with transient renal involvement
Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders
Pruritus, urticaria, and rash

8.1 Pregnancy
Pregnancy Category C: Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or AFLURIA. It is also not known whether these vaccines can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity. Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed.
8.3 Nursing Mothers
Neither Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine nor AFLURIA has been evaluated in nursing mothers. It is not known whether Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or AFLURIA is excreted in human milk. Because many drugs are excreted in human milk, caution should be exercised when Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine is administered to a nursing woman.
8.4 Pediatric Use
Safety and effectiveness of Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine and AFLURIA in children below 6 months of age have not been established. The safety and immunogenicity of AFLURIA was evaluated in 298 children between the ages of 6 months and 9 years (see Adverse Reactions [6.2] and Clinical Studies [14]).

13.1 Carcinogenesis, Mutagenesis, Impairment of Fertility
Neither Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine nor AFLURIA has been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential or for impairment of fertility.

14.1 Immunogenicity in the Adult and Geriatric Populations
Three randomized, controlled clinical studies of AFLURIA have evaluated the immune responses by measuring HI antibody titers to each virus strain in the vaccine. In these studies, post-vaccination immunogenicity was evaluated on sera obtained 21 days after administration of AFLURIA. No controlled clinical studies demonstrating a decrease in influenza disease after vaccination with AFLURIA have been performed.

Sanofi Pasteur, Inc.:

[similar content to the previous product]

The following additional events have been reported during post-approval use of Fluzone vaccine. Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequency or establish a causal relationship to vaccine exposure.

Blood and Lymphatic System Disorders:

Thrombocytopenia, lymphadenopathy
Immune System Disorders: Anaphylaxis, other allergic/hypersensitivity reactions (including urticaria, angioedema)

Nervous System Disorders:

GBS, convulsions, myelitis (including encephalomyelitis and transverse myelitis), facial palsy (Bell’s palsy), optic neuritis/neuropathy, brachial neuritis, syncope (shortly after vaccination), dizziness, paresthesia

Vascular Disorders:

Vasculitis, vasodilation/flushing
Respiratory, Thoracic and Mediastinal Disorders: Dyspnea, pharyngitis, rhinitis

Skin and Subcutaneous Tissue Disorders:

Stevens-Johnson syndrome

General Disorders and Administration Site Conditions: Fever, pain, pruritis, asthenia/fatigue, pain in extremities, chest pain

1. Pregnancy
Pregnancy Category C: Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or Fluzone vaccine. It is also not known whether these vaccines can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity. Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed.
Nursing Mothers
It is not known whether Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or Fluzone vaccine is excreted in human milk. Because many drugs are excreted in human milk, caution should be exercised when this vaccine is administered to a nursing woman.

Influenza illness and its complications follow infection with influenza viruses. Global surveillance of influenza identifies yearly antigenic variants. For example, since 1977, antigenic variants of influenza A (H1N1 and H3N2) viruses and influenza B viruses have been in global circulation. Specific levels of hemagglutinin inhibition (HI) antibody titer post-vaccination with inactivated influenza virus vaccines have not been correlated with protection from influenza virus infection. In some human studies, antibody titer of ≥1:40 have been associated with protection from influenza illness in up to 50% of subjects. (4) (5)

. Carcinogenesis, Mutagenesis, Impairment of Fertility
Neither Fluzone vaccine nor Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine have been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or for impairment of fertility.

MedImmune LLC:

Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine Live, Intranasal Manufactured by MedImmune, LLC Intranasal Spray

Do not administer Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine Live, Intranasal to children <24 months of age because of increased risk of hospitalization and wheezing. (5.1)
Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine Live, Intranasal should not be administered to any individuals with asthma or children < 5 years of age with recurrent wheezing because of the potential for increased risk of wheezing post vaccination. (5.2)

If Guillain-Barré syndrome has occurred with any prior influenza vaccination, the decision to give Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine Live, Intranasal should be based on careful consideration of the potential benefits and risks. (5.3)

Administration of Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine Live, Intranasal, a live virus vaccine, to immunocompromised persons should be based on careful consideration of potential benefits and risks. (5.4)

Safety has not been established in individuals with underlying medical conditions predisposing them to wild-type influenza infection complications. (5.5)

8.1 Pregnancy
Pregnancy Category C
Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine Live, Intranasal or FluMist. It is not known whether Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine Live, Intranasal or FluMist can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity. Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine Live, Intranasal or FluMist should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed.
The effect of FluMist on embryo-fetal and pre-weaning development was evaluated in a developmental toxicity study using pregnant rats receiving the frozen formulation. Groups of animals were administered FluMist either once (during the period of organogenesis on gestation day 6) or twice (prior to gestation and during the period of organogenesis on gestation day 6), 250 microliter/rat/occasion (approximately 110-140 human dose equivalents), by intranasal instillation. No adverse effects on pregnancy, parturition, lactation, embryo-fetal or pre-weaning development were observed. There were no FluMist related fetal malformations or other evidence of teratogenesis noted in this study.
8.3 Nursing Mothers
It is not known whether Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine Live, Intranasal or FluMist is excreted in human milk. Therefore, as some viruses are excreted in human milk and additionally, because of the possibility of shedding of vaccine virus and the close proximity of a nursing infant and mother, caution should be exercised if Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine Live, Intranasal or FluMist is administered to nursing mothers.

November 10, 2009 at 8:37 pm
(227) Chanel says:

I am 30 weeks pregnant with seasonal asthma, and just got over the dreaded H1N1 flu virus, without a vaccine or any anti virus medication… I did however take Tylenol 1 and my asthma puffer to keep the fever and cough down… But my unborn child and myself both survived unharmed… Don’t get me wrong, it is a crazy flu… and yes maybe even stronger then the regular seasonal flu… but it is possible to beat! People have to learn to trust there bodies, and its capability to beat these viruses without prescription drugs… Like it has been doing for years… I feel so bad for you women who lost your babies, whether it was due to the vaccine or not, it is a tragedy, and my heart goes out to you! I am a firm believer that while pregnant you don’t put anything in your body that isn’t naturally found… I would rather chance getting the virus and beating it, then getting some shot, just in case!

November 10, 2009 at 8:45 pm
(228) Questioning says:

Please note that the manufacturers are saying that their regular flu vaccines are also untested on pregnant women.

November 10, 2009 at 11:01 pm
(229) Beth says:


I am not selling anything. Neither are the many others here opposed to the vaccine.

However, those who are pressuring pregnant women to take the vaccine have much to profit from financially.

Vaccine companies are paying up to $1 million a day to promote their vaccines on tv, media, etc., and there is huge pressure for a pregnant woman to take the vaccine. Vaccine companies make billions whether or not their products are effectiver or safe.

Dont doctors make money whether a woman miscarries or not? Doesn’t a doctor make more money if a woman miscarries and needs additional care? I dont know. But it seems those offering the vaccine profit more than those of us opposing the vaccine.

Your comment that those of us warning against the vaccine are profiting seems inaccurate.

I have nothing to sell. I haven’t seen anyone selling anything here.

November 10, 2009 at 11:35 pm
(230) ladylove says:

I haven’t had the opportunity to post anything in a while but I have tried to keep up. What I’m curious of is, why does it seem that the pro vaccine advocates (namely Mary and RN) constantly resort to hostility! This is clearly a discussion page now (lets not forget the mothers <3) and no matter how civil the anti vaccine people try to be and most certainly no matter how much information they post to try to defend their position, the pro vacciners resort to name calling and a great deal of sarcasm. Come on, ladies! You have obviously come to the wrong place to change peoples opinions! Beth and Questioning are merely defending what you are scrutinizing and I have yet to read anything you have written proving otherwise.
Chanel, I am SO pleased to hear that you and your baby have survived the flu and are healthy and happy!! More people need to hear that! The fear mongering of the media and pro vaccine advocates have so many expectant mothers deathly afraid of dying from the flu, and you are first hand experience that it can be beat!!

November 10, 2009 at 11:48 pm
(231) Beth says:

I have also noticed pro-vaccine people to be hostile.

November 11, 2009 at 6:26 am
(232) mary says:

Where did you get the impression I was pro vaccine? Did you not read what I said about my own decisions concerning this issue? Did you not catch that I am not especially pro vaccine during pregnancy? No? Perhaps my post was too long to read. And labeling me as hostile, just because I suggest caution in accepting everything you read on the internet as gospel truth is just silly.

Let me crystallize my position for those who don’t want to wade back through the posts: I am is concerned with people reading information for themselves and basing their decision on facts, not hearsay and fearmongering.
You can do this research yourself by acquiring the lists of ingredients from the FDA’s site (link given) or, if you don’t trust that, ask to see it at the doctor’s office, and read what is and isn’t in the vaccine for yourself.

As per “selling”, I was referring to the “doctors” (and I use that term loosely) who have a vested interest in you buying their preventative remedies and the pharmaceutical companies who want you to buy theirs (note how I included both groups). By the way, I’m a big believer in herbal remedies, preferring to grow most of my own. I haven’t been to a doctor in three years.

Let me repeat this too: I’ve suffered from the devastating heartbreak of miscarriage. I do know what it’s like to go looking for a cause. Nor am I saying that the vaccine didn’t have something to do with it. I am suggesting caution in leaping to that conclusion.

Why? I am one of a small group of people who began bucking the mainstream approach to living back when it wasn’t popular to do so. We questioned vaccines and their effectiveness, had out of hospital births with midwives, nursed our kids in the glare of the disapproving public eye, then homeschooled them when next to nobody was homeschooling! We did this in a far more hostile atmosphere than you are facing today. And all of these decisions were made during the pre-internet days when all we had were the medical books we could find in libraries, the information we gleaned from talking to doctors and other health care professionals, and our own gut. We learned quickly that someone spouting misinformation weakened the cause and made us all look foolish so we made an effort to educate.

And that’s all I was doing. Educating.

November 11, 2009 at 10:34 am
(233) nick says:

165 – Pat.
Oh that’s a really mature argument. You should be ashamed of yourself, if you have a conscience. So judging by your weird Resident Evil pic, you’re what, late 20s? Boyfriend a fan of that movie eh.?
Why not retort to my comment about the 1976 – EVIDENCE?! No, of course not. Far easier to just attack, attack.
Anyway this is my last post.
Again, my heartfelt condolences to those who have lost affected.

November 11, 2009 at 11:18 am
(234) Beth says:

CBS investigative report discovered the media was extremely hyping swine flu cases.

The fear mongering and misinformation began in the media.

I am reading reports that folks are dying of flu with or without the vaccine.

But the issue still remains that women have miscarried a day or two after being vaccinated by either vaccine. That is not misinformation.

November 11, 2009 at 11:25 am
(235) Beth says:

And to ignore these women’s vaccine miscarriages as coincidence is saddening.

Obama has many shares in Baxter pharma. as do other government officials and doctors (info available on internet) whom stand to gain $financially from rushed untested vaccines.

Doesn’t there seems to be a profit motive involved$ to turn a blind eye to women miscarrying a day or two after their vaccines?

November 11, 2009 at 12:27 pm
(236) Stuart says:

Unfortunately, those who choose to believe flu shots cause miscarriages, will continue to believe it no matter what is said by anyone.

And that’s easy to see, based on some of these posts.

Be careful of anecdotal claims of a connection. Women who suffer miscarriages, but had the flu shot, may blame the shot. But the rates of miscarriages between those with and without the shots have not been shown to be significantly different.

It’s the differences between the 2 groups that matter.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/28/health/policy/28vaccine.html... Read More


November 11, 2009 at 1:20 pm
(237) Beth says:
November 11, 2009 at 2:05 pm
(238) zoe says:

I was vaccinated on Friday and on Tuesday my first trimester screening ultrasound showed that my baby did not have a heart beat. I was 12 weeks along and the baby measured 12 weeks so it must have happened after the vaccination (when I was 11 weeks). I doubt that they will ever draw any conclusions about the cause of my baby’s death but it is quite uncommon to have a miscarriage after 12 weeks and if I could make the decision again, I would have played it safe (although that’s what I thought I was doing) and NOT have had the shot.

November 11, 2009 at 2:21 pm
(239) Questioning says:

oh Zoe – I’m so sorry for your loss.

Please make sure to report this to whoever manages the reporting in your country.

November 11, 2009 at 3:43 pm
(240) Christina says:

This is interesting….


Thank goodness for resources such as the internet and youtube ! Average, everyday people are able to share information rather than leaving it up to the mainstream media!!

November 11, 2009 at 4:33 pm
(241) Shirley says:

In case some of you pregnant ladies missed (13) sandrasays: please go and watch
The video talks about what happens when pregnant women take the shot.

I am a grandma and none of my daughters, daughter-in-laws or nieces are getting this shot. Danger, Danger.

Listen to your gut instincts not your fear!

November 11, 2009 at 4:40 pm
(242) Shirley says:
November 11, 2009 at 4:51 pm
(243) SLRTX says:

Shirley –

“Listen to your gut instincts not your fear!”

Thank god our guts have virtually eradicated polio and small pox. Those medical scientists just don’t know as much as our guts!

I suppose those with bigger guts are smarter.

Actually, I’d rather listen to my Dr. than my fear. But, that’s just little ‘ol ignorant me.

BTW – Great link to that “mercola” site. That krill oil sure looks like it will work for just about anything. I think I also saw an add for some oil made from snakes.

November 11, 2009 at 5:12 pm
(244) Beth says:


A women who posted way above at the beginning, said her instinct told her not to get vaccinated. She was pressured to vaccinate, then miscarried shortly after the vaccine.

November 11, 2009 at 5:28 pm
(245) Beth says:


I’m so sorry for your loss.

As far as snake oil comment above, I found this kind of interesting—

“Snake oil originally came from China, where it is called shéyóu (蛇油). There, it was used as a remedy for inflammation and pain in rheumatoid arthritis, bursitis, and other similar conditions. Snake oil is still used as a pain reliever in China.

Fats and oils from snakes are higher in eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) than other sources, so snake oil was actually a plausible remedy for joint pain as these are thought to have inflammation-reducing properties. Snake oil is still sold in traditional Chinese pharmacy stores.”

November 11, 2009 at 5:30 pm
(246) Pat says:

Actually Beth…

CBS News – H1N1 Deaths Underreported


November 11, 2009 at 5:42 pm
(247) Pat says:

And one more thing…’Dr.’ Mercola loves to push his products…


“Quest Diagnostics, a medical diagnostic testing company, sued Joseph Mercola, who runs the Natural Health Center along with a couple of related websites, over articles critical of Quest that were allegedly published by Mercola on one of his websites.

Quest alleged that that the articles contained false and defamatory information, stating that its tests are “inaccurate and unreliable” and have “caused some dialysis patients to undergo unnecessary surgery,” while advocating on behalf of LabCorp, one of Quest’s competitors. (Compl. ¶¶ 11-12, 14-15.) Advertisements for Mercola’s products and services also allegedly appeared in close proximity to the articles. (Compl. ¶ 12.) Based on user comments posted to Mercola’s articles, Quest claimed that the articles have deceived consumers and caused Quest significant harm. (Compl. ¶ 13.) ”

Nor is he a recognized ‘Dr’…in Canada…

November 11, 2009 at 5:44 pm
(248) ladylove says:

Welcome back, Pat!
Let the hostility continue.

As for the link you posted, do you suppose perhaps there are states not reporting H1N1 deaths because they concluded the people dying weren’t actually dying of H1N1? The article also doesn’t mention which of those “estimated 1,131 deaths.” were people who never received the vaccine and people who did but still contracted the flu. There has been a lot of suggestion that even though people are participating in the vaccine, they are still contracting the flu and that the vaccine may actually lower their defenses. Also, there are provinces in Canada who have halted the distribution of the regular flu shot because there seems to be a danger in those who received it, they become more susceptible to the H1N1 flu.
So this article you posted really doesn’t tell us anything.

November 11, 2009 at 5:44 pm
(249) Beth says:


You’ve proven yourself to be unconcerned for those injured and thus your voice means little here.

November 11, 2009 at 5:53 pm
(250) Beth says:

Doctors are sued, no matter what their specialty.

There were many lawsuits after the 1976 swine vaccine disaster similar to this disaster-in-the-making.

November 11, 2009 at 5:56 pm
(251) Beth says:

Hi Beth. Thanks for spamming these boards with your anti-vac agenda putting woman’s lives in danger with your internet rumors and conspiracy theories. You have no concern about their lives by stating such things like “the media is making secret deals with vaccine makers” because you don’t double check your posts by verifying the credibility of your sources.

You are basically yelling fire in a crowded theater. Who cares if these moms get crushed as they head to the exits. Wonder how many times you are gonna reply now…10x…maybe 20x. I wonder how many excuses are you gonna make for ‘Dr.’ Mercola?

November 11, 2009 at 6:03 pm
(252) ladylove says:

Doctors in the Uk are being offered bigger bonuses for more people vaccinated.


November 11, 2009 at 6:08 pm
(253) Beth says:

The fact still remains that women are still miscarrying a day or two after vaccines.

November 11, 2009 at 6:15 pm
(254) Beth1 says:

Since there is now a second person named Beth posting, I will now call myself Beth1 so as not to create confusion.

No conspiracy theory– just the facts:

Women are reporting miscarriages a day or two after vaccine while media fear-mongers them to continue to get vaccinated.

November 11, 2009 at 6:18 pm
(255) Not concerned says:

I’m 10 weeks pregnant and got the H1N1 and Seasonal Flu shot and I’m perfectly healthy. I also have 2 friends who are pregnant and received the same vaccinations and they too are healthy.

November 11, 2009 at 6:20 pm
(256) Beth1 says:

People are getting the flu with or without the vaccine.

November 11, 2009 at 6:24 pm
(257) Pat says:

Hey Beth or Beth1 or whatever.

I just counted 80+ something posts just by you alone (out of 250). Why not just open up your own website?

You seem to be crowding out mothers who would like to post about their situation…whether they have miscarried after the shot or not….

November 11, 2009 at 6:25 pm
(258) Beth1 says:

Not Concerned,

The health of your baby remains to be seen. Midwives have reported several vaccinated mothers to be birthing babies with challenges. Glad you are ok. May you continue to be well.

November 11, 2009 at 6:26 pm
(259) Beth1 says:


Plenty of room here for all.

November 11, 2009 at 7:39 pm
(260) Peter Parker says:


I recommend watching this vaccine video if you have not.


November 11, 2009 at 7:55 pm
(261) Linda says:

I am 5 weeks pregnant and have decided not to get the vaccine. I have been trying for too long to have a baby, and do not want to take any chances with the vaccine. I think the risks outweigh the benefits.

November 11, 2009 at 8:58 pm
(262) Beth1 says:

Peter #262 post.
The link didn’t work.
Please re-send. Thanks.

November 11, 2009 at 9:00 pm
(263) Beth1 says:

Nevermind. I got it to work. Thank you!!

November 11, 2009 at 9:37 pm
(264) ladylove says:

Hey other Beth,
Before you start making bold statements like “spamming these boards with your anti-vac agenda putting woman’s lives in danger with your internet rumors and conspiracy theories” towards another poster on this site, you may want to READ what she has posted! Not one single post of Beth1′s says “Listen to me! I know all!” Instead, she is asking people do DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH. She is NOT putting anyones life in danger, she is NOT claiming to know it all and she most certainly is NOT “yelling fire in a crowded theater”. What she is doing is showing people a myriad of other sources to research THEMSELVES rather than relying on the mainstream media!
Whatever it is about anti-vaxers that brings you to insults and hostility should be taken somewhere else. There is AMPLE information available all over the place to suggest the H1N1 vaccine is NOT the only option and even MORE so that it is dangerous. There are expectant mothers worldwide who have experienced either pre-term labour or miscarriages that the medical system cannot explain. But the one factor SEEMS to be the vaccine. It’s merely an observation!! As another poster said, isn’t it funny that if a woman miscarries after having the flu, everyone assumes it’s because of the flu. But when a woman miscarries after the vaccine, the PRO vaxers are jumping down their throats saying it’s not possibly a result of the vaccine. WHERE IS THE PROOF TO BACK THIS UP? If you were to do your own research, you WILL find all kinds of personal account of people who’s children have ended up in the ER after receiving the vaccine and some have actually died. Please, PLEASE don’t come on this site and disregard what these women have been through and DO NOT bring your hostility towards anti-vaxers here either. You’re not proving anything.
Once again I will say- Beth1 has only ever suggested people DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH.

November 11, 2009 at 9:46 pm
(265) Ladylove says:

And Pat… oh Pat,
What does it matter to how many posts Beth1 makes? Does it bother you that she has an opinion that differs from yours? Or perhaps it’s the information she’s offering for anyone open minded enough to check it out themselves?
Please don’t disregard what these poor women have been through by attacking other posters. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, including you!! But that does not make it okay to try and scrutinize Beth1′s opinion. A discussion doesn’t hurt anyone, so I would suggest laying off a tad. Beth1 has as much right to post as you do.
Thankfully she’s big enough not to bother paying any attention to you. Unfortunately, I am not.

November 11, 2009 at 10:12 pm
(266) undecided says:


I cannot tell you what to do, but I can tell you that I am 7 weeks pregnant and have had two opportunities to have the vaccine and decided to go with my gut and NOT get the vaccine. That was before I read these posts about women losing their babies shortly after getting the vaccine. Thank goodness I didn’t get it. I probably wouldn’t be pregnant anymore.

November 11, 2009 at 10:16 pm
(267) Beth1 says:


Thank you.

And the sad fact remains that women are miscarrying soon after being vaccinated. Yes, do your own research and surf “vaccine miscarriages.”

November 11, 2009 at 10:33 pm
(268) Pat says:

So now I’m gonna post my opinion…

Mom in Coma with H1N1 Dies


Maybe I should post the same thing over and over again like the anti-vac’s??? Its not spam its ‘opinion’.

November 11, 2009 at 10:34 pm
(269) Pat says:

Calif. man mourns wife who died from swine flu


November 11, 2009 at 10:36 pm
(270) Jennifer Johnson says:

I was afraid of something like this happening. I have personally read the inserts of both the Regular flu vaccine and Swine flu vaccine. I will quote directly from the inserts for both Fluzone (“Regular” Influenza Virus Vaccine made by Sanofi Pasteur) and Influenza A (H1N1) vaccine made by Novartis. “Pregnancy category C. Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Fluzone vaccine/Influenza A vaccine. It is not known if (the above) can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity. The above should be given only if clearly needed.” So there you have it. This is by the vaccine companies’ own admission. Take this, plus the fact that they have blanket immunity to lawsuits and what you have is one big roll of the dice with your health.

I work in a busy emergency department in NYC and I see no one dying of the flu ( swine flu or otherwise). Also we have stopped testing for it for quite awhile now. As a healthcare professional I don’t see how this vaccine is clearly “needed” by anyone much less a pregnant woman. I personally don’t think anyone should take something that was so quickly mass produced. Furthermore, if I was pregnant you wouldn’t be able to hold me down to get this vaccine.

If you haven’t been vaccinated yet please don’t do it. Too much is not known about this vaccine.

November 11, 2009 at 10:37 pm
(271) Pat says:
November 11, 2009 at 10:39 pm
(272) ladylove says:

4Year old boy nearly DIES after the vaccine:


November 11, 2009 at 10:40 pm
(273) Pat says:

Deaths of 2 pregnant women blamed on H1N1


November 11, 2009 at 10:42 pm
(274) Pat says:

Nine children, seven pregnant women and six doctors among dead


November 11, 2009 at 10:43 pm
(275) Pat says:

Family: Pregnant Woman Died From H1N1 Complications


November 11, 2009 at 10:44 pm
(276) Pat says:

H1N1 Hospitalizes Pregnant Woman In Portland


November 11, 2009 at 10:46 pm
(277) ladylove says:

Quoted from the facebook page, H1N1 Vaccine reactions:


“Kathy XXXXXXXX my friend nephew, in hospital paralysis down legs of 5 year old with H1N1 Vaccine.”

“Shauna XXXXXXX my 3 year old did’nt have a recation or nothing my son did he is in the Er right now”

“Marian XXXXXXX I got the shot 10 days ago and have a question….now, this may not even be related to the vaccine, but just strange how it started the day after I received it and its still happening…..my left arm gets chills down it anywhere from 3-10 times/day. This is the arm they used to inject the vaccine”

“Jennifer XXXXXX My doctor is treating a 4 yr old who was perfectly healthy before he got the Swine/H1N1 vaccination a few weeks ago. His brain swelled, and he was given 2 weeks to live as his body is shutting down. As of today he’s alive, but my doctor is not sure if he’s going to make it.”

“Melissa XXXXXX My 3 yr old got the shot, 2 days later came down with a runny nose, high fever (103) and massive headache. 36 hours later, the fever went away, but the headache remained. No one at her school was sick or is sick, so I know it was this shot. NO WAY am I getting the 2nd one.. they tested her for the flu when she had the fever, and it was negative. My 6 yr old had the mist and was ok with it, other than staying completely stuffed up for a month. h, the 3yr old also vomited when she had teh fever. 3 weeks later, she still has a headache.”

November 11, 2009 at 10:47 pm
(278) Pat says:

Four deaths push swine (2 Pregnant) – flu toll to 31 in Vietnam


November 11, 2009 at 10:50 pm
(279) Pat says:

DHHS issues alert to HCPs re: pregnant women – case study


November 11, 2009 at 10:50 pm
(280) ladylove says:

Pat, comment 274 I checked the link, they SPECIFIED she had underlying medical issues, but didn’t say what. Also, they did not mention whether or not she had already received the vaccine, which from what a lot of information suggests, can complicate a person if they contract the flu.
Sorry, that link doesn’t check out. But I’ll go look at the next one now:)

November 11, 2009 at 10:52 pm
(281) Pat says:

Swine flu vaccinations announced as pregnant girl with virus dies


November 11, 2009 at 10:53 pm
(282) Pat says:

Wood County pregnant woman is fifth W.Va. swine flu death


November 11, 2009 at 10:55 pm
(283) Pat says:
November 11, 2009 at 10:58 pm
(284) Pat says:
November 11, 2009 at 10:58 pm
(285) Pat says:
November 11, 2009 at 10:59 pm
(286) Pat says:

Hospital defends actions despite staff not noticing coma woman giving birth to stillborn child


November 11, 2009 at 11:00 pm
(287) ladylove says:

Pat, post 276 link does not report whether or not there were underlying medical issues or whether or not they had the vaccine before they tragically died….
Post 277 link admits they do not have the facilities to test for this flu, therefore they cannot say it was the swine flu that killed those people.
Post 278 link again, does not state whether there were underlying issues or whether or not she had received the vaccine before she unexpectedly died…

There is a lot of information out there suggesting that the swine flu vaccine actually causes complications. Also, in Canada there are many provinces that have halted participation in the seasonal flu vaccine because it shows to cause complications in people contracting the H1N1 virus. If these people unfortunately died without complications, that is very much a tragedy. But the reports are giving the full story, so WHAT IF it had something to do with either the seasonal flu vaccine causing complications or the H1N1 vaccine causing the complications?
For someone preaching that you can’t believe everything you read online, you certainly have a lot of resources you will believe. There are so many possibilities out there, but there’s always a bigger picture.

November 11, 2009 at 11:00 pm
(288) Peter Parker says:


I’m sorry for the link not working before, here’s a little bit of knowledge about what the swine flu disease/vaccine is.


November 11, 2009 at 11:01 pm
(289) Beth1 says:


People are dying of the flu with or without the vaccine.
This page is for vaccine info.
Flu info is another page on this site.
You have the wrong page.

November 11, 2009 at 11:03 pm
(290) Beth1 says:


This is page is for vaccine concerns. I thought you said not to trust internet news and now you are posting it? How odd.

November 11, 2009 at 11:04 pm
(291) Pat says:

In Gujarat, a 23-year-old pregnant woman succumbed to swine flu


November 11, 2009 at 11:05 pm
(292) Pat says:
November 11, 2009 at 11:05 pm
(293) Pat says:
November 11, 2009 at 11:07 pm
(294) Pat says:
November 11, 2009 at 11:08 pm
(295) Beth1 says:


The fact still remains that women are having miscarriages shortly after vaccination. You seem to be missing that point.

Here is the page to post swine flu concerns, as this page is for vaccine concerns:

November 11, 2009 at 11:08 pm
(296) Pat says:
November 11, 2009 at 11:10 pm
(297) Pat says:

Third Hand Account Of Death


Third hand account from a Health Care Professional regarding the death of a pregnant woman of H1N1 in this city some weeks ago.

In the final stages she was bleeding from the lungs. She was taken to the operating theatre and a surgical attempt was made to stop the bleeding with no success. She died on the operating table and the premature baby was only just saved by immediate caesarean.

The observation that was relayed is that the HCW had never seen lung damage quite like it ever before in their long career.

November 11, 2009 at 11:12 pm
(298) Pat says:
November 11, 2009 at 11:12 pm
(299) ladylove says:

Pat, please read the articles before you post them.
One of the articles stated the woman died because they didn’t have the equipment to help her. Many of the other articles are vague and not mentioning what many people are so concerned about- whether there were underlying medical issues and whether or not they had received a vaccine (seasonal or H1N1) prior to falling ill…

To Jennifer Johnson,
Thank you so much for posting your information. I have quite a few nurse friends and a large family with many nurses who are saying the same thing. They aren’t seeing the H1N1 virus nearly as much as the media screams they do, they were told not to test for it even if they suspect it, and everyone they’ve seen come through without any issue.
Your personal testimony helps a lot!
Apparently something like Legal Immunity for the drug companies doesn’t sway some people, but I tell ya! It was a BIG clue for me. That’s why I started researching for myself. And I’m of the same mind, there is not enough known about this vaccine to deem it safe.
Even the CDC doesn’t know for sure!! And I quote: “We expect the 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine to have a similar safety profile as seasonal flu vaccines…” We expect?? That implies they really DON’T know.
The link to this is: http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/vaccine_safety_qa.htm

November 11, 2009 at 11:12 pm
(300) Beth1 says:


You accused me earlier of hogging the chat room so women couldn’t write in. Now you are doing it? Your behavior is odd and keeping you from being a reliable source for info.

November 11, 2009 at 11:14 pm
(301) Beth1 says:


You obviously arent reading your links before posting.

Hopefully the MODERATOR here will remove your posts and place them on the flu page, and not in the vaccine section page here, as you are off topic. This is a vaccine page.

November 11, 2009 at 11:17 pm
(302) Pat says:
November 11, 2009 at 11:18 pm
(303) Pat says:
November 11, 2009 at 11:18 pm
(304) Beth1 says:


The fact remains—- women are miscarrying shortly after receiving vaccine.

The vaccine does not guarantee one will not get the flu nor does it guarantee safety.

November 11, 2009 at 11:19 pm
(305) Pat says:

Baby delivered prematurely from swine flu patient dies


November 11, 2009 at 11:20 pm
(306) Beth1 says:

Pat– Again, you are posting on the wrong page. There is page is not for flu news. This is for vaccine news. Hopefully the moderator will ban you from this site for being off topic.

November 11, 2009 at 11:21 pm
(307) Beth1 says:

Women continue to miscarry soon after flu vaccines.

Vaccines do not guarantee safety.

November 11, 2009 at 11:24 pm
(308) Beth1 says:


You are posting on the wrong page. This is for vaccine news, not flu news. There is another page for flu news. Please stay on topic.

November 11, 2009 at 11:24 pm
(309) Pat says:

As I said earlier…

Beth 80+ posts of the same thing over and over

Gonna take me a while to catch up with all the pregnant women who have died from H1N1…

I don’t know what Beth 1′s incorrect post about the “media vaccine conspiracy” have to do with pregnant women miscarrying though. Hmm? Maybe the moderator should remove it…also all the double posts by Beth 1 should go to….because the ‘fact remains’ she is posting the same thing over and over.

November 11, 2009 at 11:26 pm
(310) Pat says:

I didn’t hear you Beth1??? Maybe you should post it 100 more times so then your post count would be 180+


Women continue to miscarry soon after flu vaccines.

Vaccines do not guarantee safety.


Spamming the boards again???

November 11, 2009 at 11:28 pm
(311) Pat says:


You and the other anti-vac spammers wanted proof of all these pregnant women dying from this flu…here you go…

You asked for it! You got it!

H1N1 Flu Cluster: Bay Area Pregnant


November 11, 2009 at 11:30 pm
(312) Beth1 says:

The fact remains that the vaccines do not guarantee safety or effectiveness.

Vaccinated folks are dying of the flu as well.

November 11, 2009 at 11:31 pm
(313) Pat says:
November 11, 2009 at 11:32 pm
(314) Pat says:
November 11, 2009 at 11:33 pm
(315) Beth1 says:


Your posts mean nothing, because those who receive the vaccine are dying of the flu as well.

Regardless of your posts, the fact remains– women are having miscarriages shortly after vaccination.

Ladies, surf “vaccine miscarriages.”

November 11, 2009 at 11:34 pm
(316) Pat says:
November 11, 2009 at 11:35 pm
(317) Beth1 says:


You are mistaken. I never asked for proof that folks are dying of swine flu. I hear that on the news every day.

What you dont hear on the news every day is that women are miscarrying shortly after vaccinating.

November 11, 2009 at 11:38 pm
(318) Pat says:

Beth1 it looks like you are exactly the same as the people you criticize. Time for you to wake up and look in the mirror girl. Keep being a parrot to your conspiracy theories.

How many more times are you gonna post this??

“Regardless of your posts, the fact remains– women are having miscarriages shortly after vaccination.”

Just curious…1000 more times?

November 11, 2009 at 11:45 pm
(319) Pat says:

No Beth…

you anti-vacs wanted proof of pregnant women dying as it relates to their choices in getting vaccinated or not. voila!

ladylove said everyone is entitled to an opinion.

(58) Beth says:

Swine flu is not the most common flu going around, based on a CBS investigative report that exposed media for hyping up swine flu numbers. Their report revealed up to 3 percent of flu’s were actually swine flu.

^^What does that have to do with pregnant women or vaccine Beth?

November 11, 2009 at 11:49 pm
(320) Pat says:
November 11, 2009 at 11:49 pm
(321) Pat says:
November 11, 2009 at 11:50 pm
(322) Beth1 says:


Your comment #259 stated to me today:
“You seem to be crowding out mothers who would like to post about their situation.”

But isn’t that what you are now doing? Your posts are confusing.

November 11, 2009 at 11:51 pm
(323) Pat says:

^all these reports are from local news outlets. Are they in on the ‘conspiracy’ to vaccinate and kill babies too???

November 11, 2009 at 11:57 pm
(324) Beth1 says:


I know people are dying of the flu. But those vaccinated are dying of the flu as well.

Be well.

November 11, 2009 at 11:59 pm
(325) Pat says:

Sorry Beth…ladylove and yourself said I could express myself as ‘everyone is entitled to an opinion’. Lots of room for everyone…isn’t that what you both said? Thanks for letting me oblige you…


Beth1 80+ posts
Pat 15+ posts


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Wow after all that posting of those poor pregnant women who unfortunately died from this flu (because they weren’t vac’d) I’m still nowhere near your spamming track record (some of which have the same posts posting the same information over and over).

November 12, 2009 at 12:03 am
(326) canada says:

No doubt they are the makers of the vaccine who are releasing this H1N1 flu virus into our environment to inflict on people so they can have a purpose and satisfy their greed of money. sick game!

November 12, 2009 at 12:04 am
(327) Pat says:
November 12, 2009 at 12:04 am
(328) Pat says:

Swine Flu mother dies just 18 days after emergency caesarian that saved her baby from virus


November 12, 2009 at 12:05 am
(329) Pat says:

Pregnancy reconceived: what keeps a mother’s immune system from treating her baby as foreign tissue? A new theory resolves the paradox


November 12, 2009 at 12:19 am
(330) Beth1 says:


I truly hope you get help for your rage.

All the best.

November 12, 2009 at 12:29 am
(331) qwerty says:


It’s pointless posting these death cause the CDC stopped testing for H1N1. Here in Canada a 13 years old hockey player died of Meningitis but the media ignored that fact and reported as H1n1 related.

Question is: Why?

November 12, 2009 at 12:31 am
(332) Pat says:

Beth 1…I didn’t think it was a ‘rage’ because I was a ‘paid vaccine pharma poster working overtime’ (post #301) on Remembrance Day??? Or maybe I work at Roswell and I’m part of the conspiracy to take over the human race…


November 12, 2009 at 12:35 am
(333) Beth says:

My heart continues to go out to the mothers who have miscarried after their vaccines. I hope someone in medical system will investigate.

November 12, 2009 at 12:40 am
(334) Beth1 says:


I dont know anything about Roswell and feel you are way off topic. This is about miscarriages and vaccines.

I hope the mothers who have lost their baby shortly after vaccination will seek the advice of a medical malpractice attorney.

Be well.

November 12, 2009 at 12:41 am
(335) Pat says:

Hi Qwerty.

All fatal cases are tested for H1N1 flu to determine the cause of death. They use Polymerase Chain Reaction DNA testing.


Getting the flu opens your body to attack as the immune system is using resources to fight the first virus while other infections take over. Most people die from pneumonia and other things not from the flu itself.

Flu patient develops meningitis


Had they not gotten this new H1N1 flu they would have probably been fine.

November 12, 2009 at 1:10 am
(336) ladylove says:

Just a thought…. perhaps deaths from the flu are being reported more than adverse effects because “they” are still trying to vaccinate as many people as possible. And if adverse effects were actually reported on, do you think people would still be lining up to get it? If anything, logically, the media would report more about the H1N1 flu deaths in hopes more people will participate. And again, we’re not getting the who story. As mentioned in (336)-Qwerty points out the media can be twisted. They reported a 13 year old boy died of H1N1 flu (which I remember hearing) and yet in actuality, it was meningitis….
The point still remains that women are losing their babies, and they need to speak out so that others know it appears to have a connection to the vaccine. Once this hype dies down and the vaccinating is complete, maybe then we’ll hear about the people effect/injured. But I certainly wouldn’t expect the media to be reporting it in the midst of mass vaccinations. We cannot disregard the pain of these women, Pro or Anti.
(273) Jennifer Johnson has first hand experience in a busy NY emergency department and is not seeing people die, as the media is broadcasting. So first hand experience is a lot more reliable than the media, in my eyes.
Just my opinion.
Pat, I noticed you didn’t have anything to say to (273) Jennifer Johnson. Why would that possibly be? Because first hand experience can’t be argued?? Or because you ONLY believe what the media reports?

November 12, 2009 at 1:22 am
(337) Pat says:


ready to duke it out?

So Jennifer (273) has never seen a flu death before? Wow…so someone posting on an anonymous internet forum (where I could post as a ‘Nurse’ or ‘Michael Jackson’) is more believable than everyone else on this planet…and how EVERYONE on this planet is in on the flu conspiracy…except for Jennifer, you and a few others conspiracy theorists. Wow….thats great ladylove…you take the cake of all conspiracies. Do you believe everything you read on an internet forum as long as its fits your agenda?

November 12, 2009 at 1:25 am
(338) Michael Jackson says:

Hey everyone.

This is Michael Jackson. I just wanna say I’m still alive and this whole flu thing is a hoax…to get everyone a microchip implant fed through the vaccine…especially pregnant women so we can control the population by eliminating people. No one has died from it. Man we had you all fooled. tah! tah! for now…

November 12, 2009 at 1:29 am
(339) Pat says:

Beth and/or Beth1 your posts such as ‘forced vaccinations are coming’ and ‘CDC over reporting H1N1 cases’ have nothing to do with pregnant women miscarrying.

Why aren’t you asking yourself why you aren’t on topic?

November 12, 2009 at 1:30 am
(340) Danny says:

To all the poor women who have lost their unborn children my deepest condolences ….
Many people whom fail to educate themselves are swept into the fabricated lies and proppaganda of the politically motivated and corporation funded Mainstream media , consequently OWNED BY THE SAME BLOODLINES AS ARE THE DRUG MAKERS AND MILLIONAIRES …
How small of a coincidence is it that Donald Rumsfeld , ex sec. of defence and one of the biggest known liars of the US government Bush team owns 10% of the Tamiflu stock ( netting him somewhere near 270 million) …
The PHONY swine flu scare has to be one of the most transparent scams by the elite scum of this planet to date … this becomes quite easy to recognize when one studies what is reported thru mainstream news to the public and what more importantly IS NOT (THE NEWS AND FACTS ) THE CONVENIENTLY LEAVE OUT !!!!
Where is the comparison to the 250-500 thousand whom die world wide from the regular flu as apposed to only 4000 to date world wide from the supposed Swine flu (NOT CONFIRMED BY SCIENCE) …
How many millions die each year from starvation , cancer and auto accidents … the numbers dwarf the Phony swine flu .
There is obviously an agenda at play here and unfortuneately , we the ordinary people and unfortuneately many impregnated females are the panws in their sick game …
Medical professional after med. professional along with pharamacists whomi have perspnally spoken to have said that its atrocious that they are RUSHING THRU an untested vaccines in the numbers they continue to push on humans and there will be massive consequences to pay … WELL , we are seeing those CONSEQUENCES first hand with the effects of this sickenning chemical they are injecting into POOR PREGNANT FEMALES who are losing their unborn children in record numbers , and the SAD PART IS we are fairly still very early into their scheme ….
Its quite sickenning that they must goto such lengths to not only line their pockets with blood money but keep population reduced by such trecherous means ….
Please educate yourselves and as many others as possible of the TRUE AND REAL DANGERS of this UNTESTED SOFT KILL WEAPON THEY CALL A VACCINE that is wreaking havoc on our unborn children !!!!!!

November 12, 2009 at 1:34 am
(341) Pat says:

Shirley how would you feel if you posted 1 thing and got attacked and constantly spammed for it? Just for expressing your opinion?

Shirley is that OK? Please tell me….

It pissed this lady off so much I’m not gonna leave it alone now. These same conspiracy theorist people that complain how the ‘media’ isn’t reporting all sides…then goes on to do the SAME EXACT THING.

Freaking ironic…

November 12, 2009 at 1:38 am
(342) danny says:

Pat , It takes a conspiracy theorist to point out the UNKNOWN fact of possible short and long term tragedies upon unborn fetuses …. I think not , its a no brainer …
FACT IS , their SOFT KILL WEAPON is doing alot more harm then it is good !!!!

November 12, 2009 at 1:40 am
(343) Ladylove says:

Wow… the hostility your harbor is intense!
Duke it out? No, this is not my intention.
The fact that you are so ready to listen to media reports (which have been proven to be reported incorrectly, and not just on this matter. Countless times over the course of media reporting) and yet you are SO skeptical of anything on the internet. That doesn’t seem logical….
Again, as I had mentioned, while they are trying to mass vaccinate world wide, do you honestly expect to hear media report on injuries/adverse effects? How would that aid in their attempt to mass vaccinate?? It will all come out after the hype of the flu is over, THEN we’ll hear about vaccine problems. No one would line up for this vaccine if the media were reporting that.
And how about the Legal Immunity granted to the Pharma companies? It’s public knowledge, but wouldn’t that make you think twice about pushing vaccines on people? Or how about the forced vaccinations? Have you read up on Massachusetts? It’s very scary stuff. None of it is conspiracy, its all happening. It’s not someone suggesting forced vaccinations, it’s being put into practice. The only reason I am taking such a strong stand against this vaccine is because human rights are being taken away! Had it been just a matter of, you get the vaccine and I won’t, wonderful. But its not like that! People are losing their babies because they are being told to get the vaccine. People are losing their jobs (which we were told would NEVER happen, and yet it has!) over not getting the vaccine. Obama himself stated this vaccine will be voluntary, and yet Massachusetts is declaring Martial Law! There is a LOT of contradictory information out there, and in my opinion, it’s all very suspect….
I still don’t understand why any of the ProVaxers are even concerned about those who don’t vaccinate?? Interestingly enough, statistics show that 30% of Doctors participate in the seasonal flu shot (That means 70% do not) and its approximated that only 40% of american population participate in the seasonal flu shot (equalling to 60% unvaccinated.) And yet, ProVaxers are only now becoming concerned about the people refusing?? It doesn’t make any sense.

November 12, 2009 at 1:48 am
(344) Pat says:


They report E Coli bacteria outbreaks in peanut butter. Why? To keep people as safe as possible. Car makers report problems if their cars aren’t safe and need to be recalled. They base it on computer models when it comes to recalls vs lawsuits. Are they not gonna report vaccine reactions? Of course they are…

There is no conspiracy…only what is created by rumors…and being said this is the world wide web…one rumor sparks 1000 more.

There are policy decisions because we live in a capitalist democracy. Its lawsuit land out there and if someone thinks something happened to them…what are they gonna do? Brush it off and say aw shucks and go on with their life? No they’ll Sue. So who would make a product in very short notice (because of the winter flu season approaching) where there is so much guess work if someone has a reaction that they could possibly be sued? No one…unless they were protected. You and the other theorists need to think that through.

November 12, 2009 at 1:58 am
(345) Pat says:


And again I’m NOT pro vax like I’ve ALREADY said. Its a personal decision for mothers to be (or anyone else out there) to make for themselves. They have to weigh the benefits and the risk……..

…….but you guys keep spamming and attacking me over and over with conspiracy theories and dangerous rumors. This girl sticks up for herself and will not be bullied. I don’t have time to sit here and post regarding every topic you and the other theorists make.

I too think its not right for doctors in the UK to be paid to give people the shot. Obviously the government there bought all those shots and doesn’t want to look like they are wasting taxpayers money since not everyone is getting them…hence the push to move them with $$ incentive. Again its not a conspiracy…but also its not the right decision.

November 12, 2009 at 8:00 am
(346) Minna says:

Hi all! I’m from Finland and here we have a vaccine called Pandemrix by GSK. This worries me a lot. This is what I found out:

Two reproductive studies were conducted with AS03-adjuvanted H5N1 antigen and evaluated the effect on embryo-fetal and peri-and post-natal development in rats, following intramuscular administration. Although no definite conclusion could be reached, regarding a possible relation to treatment with the H5N1 vaccine and/or the adjuvant AS03, and other findings were considered normal, the following observations deserve to be mentioned: In the first study, there was an increased incidence of fetal malformations with markedly medially thickened/kinked ribs and bent scapula as well as an increased incidence of dilated ureter and delayed neurobehavioral maturation.

In the second study, there was an increased incidence of post-implantation loss, and the fetal variation of dilated ureter. Not all findings were observed in both studies, and hence the toxicological significance is uncertain.

http://api.ning.com/files/Fvc-90-M*9QyftXtU30izPxvk3x3sbiG3yraKLsFamY_/Arep anrixH1N1PackageInsertCranbrookVaccine20092010.pdf

I’m not pregnant but I have kids. They are not going to be vaccinated.

I’m very, very sorry for your losses :(

November 12, 2009 at 9:05 am
(347) Questioning says:

The whole point of this page is to discuss the safety of the H1N1 vaccine for pregnant women.

Yes, people (including pregnant women) have died from H1N1 flu. People (including pregnant women) die of the flu every year. We don’t have any concrete numbers though on how many have actually died of H1N1 (and I’m not talking about the numbers that the media come up with but from reliable agencies) and how that compares to the regular flu season deaths.

But we do know for a fact that the H1N1 vaccine has NOT been tested on pregnant women and therefore there is no basis for saying that it is safe for pregnant women. Consequently, it is irresponsible for the medical community to disregard miscarriages and pre-term labour that are occurring within days of pregnant women getting the H1N1 shot.

November 12, 2009 at 9:32 am
(348) Questioning says:

We also don’t know what the actual pregnancy deaths caused by H1N1 represent as a percentage of all the H1N1-caused deaths nor how that compares to the regular flu season.
We also don’t know how many pregnant women have caught H1N1 so as to know the percentage of deaths compared to those who survived, as well as their babies.

November 12, 2009 at 9:46 am
(349) Beth1 says:

It might be due to over-vaccinating that people’s immune systems are weakened in the long run, perhaps making them more susceptible to the secondary infections that cause death with the flu.

It is interesting that people who are vaccinated are still dying of the flu as well.

God gave us all an immune system. Man has used chemicals to tinker with that natural immune system which may be having an overall weakening effect in the long run. Not sure.

Either way, the number of miscarriages occuring immediately after flu vaccines warrants the investigation of medical malpractice attorneys.

While doctors and vaccine companies are protected by law from lawsuit from vaccine injury, individuals are not protected by the medical or legal community. This is sad. I hope new legislation will change this.

Ladies, call your governor, senator and a medical malpractice attorney so they overturn the legislation which protects corporations, but not people. May you get compensated for your losses occuring shortly after vaccination.

November 12, 2009 at 9:47 am
(350) Steph says:

I’m very sorry to all of you who have experienced such a devastating loss. I do ask that if you feel that your tragedy was caused by the H1N1, that you report your case to help protect others. Clinically significant adverse events that follow vaccination should be reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), which is a US vaccine safety surveillance system co-managed by CDC and the FDA. Reports can be filed securely online at http://vaers.hhs.gov/, by mail, or by fax. Report forms are available online. In addition, report forms or other assistance can be obtained by calling 1-800-822-7967. Thank you.

November 12, 2009 at 9:50 am
(351) Beth1 says:

Ladies who suffered miscarriages,

Contact a medical malpractice attorney to urge your doctors to investigate the link between getting a vaccine and miscarrying a day or two later. To not investigate this is negligent.

Be sure to ask your attorney to surf the net for “vaccine miscarriages,” so he/she can be apprised of the numerous cases.

November 12, 2009 at 10:10 am
(352) Beth1 says:

Passing on words from an attorney to those who had miscarriages:

In response to reported chat room debates about temporal associations between H1N1 vaccines given to pregnant women and miscarriages:

1. Statistically, temporal association between the H1N1 vaccines may occur by chance, since miscarriages have occurred in women who did not get an H1N1 vaccine. However, this theory cannot be attributed to any specific instance of any such temporal association absent a proper medical-scientific assessment that determines whether or not the association is by chance or represents a causal relationship in that specific instance (to make a generalized argument against there being a causal relationship with regard to any specific case reveals at best only callous ignorance). For this reason alone, every such instance should be carefully and thoroughly assessed and evaluated, so that a proper determination can be made. Many women will instinctively know that there is a causal relationship, but that is a subjective measure that ultimately needs to be backed by objective data.

2. The evaluation MUST occur in each and every instance for:

A. Individual families to be able to reach, ultimately, completion in their grieving process; and

B. So that we as a society can know what we harm, if any, we have done, in the name of protecting our citizens (while helping the pharmaceutical industry to achieve record profits from unnecessary vaccines in a spuriously declared emergency), especially in the event that a significant number of these turn out to involve a causal relationship.

3. Regarding instances in which a causal relationship is determined to exist, while one may never fully recover emotionally from such an event, one is surely due some kind of significant monetary compensation for the loss, given the pressure from healthcare authorities and our government to get the vaccines (especially given the questionable medical justification). However, there may or may not be a means of obtaining any such compensation. Vaccine manufacturers are virtually immune from suit (a most disturbing reality), doctors and other vaccine administrators are likely immune from suit, and the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program does not list H1N1 vaccine injuries/deaths among those eligible for compensation. There is a federal Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program that may provide some compensation. An attorney who specializes in this area should be consulted (see, e.g., http://www.nvic.org for a list of law firms that do vaccine injury compensation claims).

4. If local doctors and/or coroners refuse to conduct a formal investigation as to the cause of termination of these pregnancies, then these women and affected families should consult with a local attorney to determine if there is a way that they can be legally compelled to do so; and if not, they need to determine what other routes may be available to obtain this same information–e.g., where can one hire a medical expert to conduct such investigations? The answer to these questions may vary from state to state, do don’t assume one person’s findings in another state necessarily apply to you.

5. A good starting point is probably a local medical malpractice attorney. The basic information and question might be as follows: “I had a normal pregnancy, got a swine flu vaccine on the advice of my doctor, and miscarried soon after (state when/how long). I believe that there is a connection, but the doctor and coroner (or whomever) denies the possibility of a causal relationship and refuse to investigate. Is there any way I can legally compel them to formally investigate whether or not the vaccine caused the miscarriage, and if not, is there some other means by which I can obtain this information? Are they negligent for failing to investigate this, or violating any other state laws? Are they legally required to conduct an autopsy in miscarriages, or to determine otherwise the cause of death/termination of the pregnancy–and in particular, are they required to determine whether or not the vaccine caused the miscarriage in my particular situation, when there is a temporal relationship between these two events?

6. If a causal relationship is detemined, we–society–need to run screaming to our state and federal legislators and hold *them* (among others) accountable for this–for allowing administration of fast-track production vaccines to be administered to pregnant women (when the CDC doesn’t recommend vaccines for pregnant women generally due to the lack of data about whether or not they may affect the fetus), for granting vaccine manufacturers freedom from liability, for promoting policies that profit the pharmaceutical industry at our severe expense, etc.

Loss of a child is not something you ever fully recover from–it is harm of ENORMOUS magnitude. For any medical professional to avoid making an immediate, medical-scientific determination as to the presence or absence of a causal relationship between vaccines and temporally associated miscarriage is immoral beyond words. It should not be tolerated. If you are such a victim, consider reviewing your state’s medical ethical rules, and reporting all doctors involved to their state medical board if you feel that they have violated an ethical rule or obligation.

The above is presented as opinion and for educational purposes only, and is not intended to be, and should not be construed as, legal advice. Those concerned should consult a local attorney for further direction about their legal rights and options as quickly as possible, as noted above or with any other related questions or concerns. Consider getting a 2nd or even 3rd opinion if you don’t like the first one you get.

My heart goes out to all of the victims, whatever ultimately the cause in each instance. May God hold each of you and your lost children in His hands and heart.

Alan G. Phillips, J.D., Attorney and Counselor at Law
The Vaccine Rights Project
P.O. Box 3473
Chapel Hill, NC 27515-3473

November 12, 2009 at 11:48 am
(353) Canada says:
November 12, 2009 at 12:06 pm
(354) Beth says:
November 12, 2009 at 4:45 pm
(355) Michael says:

An Avalanche Of Reports Of Adverse Reactions To The H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine – And Yet World Health Authorities Continue To Insist That It Is Safe:


November 12, 2009 at 4:57 pm
(356) miscarriage says:

I have removed more comments that were in violation of the About.com user agreement. For reference:

November 12, 2009 at 5:37 pm
(357) Beth says:

This is a tragic reaction to the swine flu vaccine. I hope the miscarriages and vaccine injuries stop soon. My heart goes out to them all:

November 12, 2009 at 6:16 pm
(358) Post Reporter says:



November 13, 2009 at 1:15 am
(359) Amy121315 says:

I understand our need for vaccines. It is much safer to vaccinate than to worry about diseases such as polio, etc. But the vaccines they are coming out with are for much more benign illnesses. Chicken pox? Flu? H1N1? Seriously. My younger brother was so sick after one of his sets of shots at 4 months, he almost died. My son was a beautiful, normally developing 4 month old…until his shots. We noticed a change on almost a daily basis. He is severely autistic and he was diagnosed at 12 months. I have 6 children, miscarried one time only…12 hours after my flu shot. Coincidence? Maybe. But I feel lied to by the medical field. I no longer have my children get vaccines for silly things. It is not worth the risks…I’ll take my chances with the flu. I also want to say how sorry I am for all of your losses. My heart breaks at the tragedy I read here. My thoughts are with you all.

November 13, 2009 at 1:37 am
(360) Kerry says:

Our health unit will not vaccinate pregnant women until they are 20 weeks as informed by the government. Not sure how you received your vaccine earlier than this??

November 13, 2009 at 3:25 am
(361) Mrs B says:

THANK YOU ALL GRIEVING WOMEN who posted here. The internet is taking the place of the street corner where everyone gathered to discuss events in their town. Now we can hear from millions across the entire globe.

A large immune response (cytokine storm) in healthy people and children causes the dramatic and unexpected organ failure leading to death with this flu, similar to the 1918 flu. Immediate use of natural antivirals by the entire population (sick & well) will have a huge effect in communities but especially so in these high-risk groups. Antivirals lessen the amount of virus in the bloodstream. This keeps the body’s cytokine production down, takes an enormous burden off doctors and hospitals and SAVE LIVES.

Two supplements are easily tolerated, safe for children and pregnant women with no toxicity. They also do not cause virus resistance, which Tamiflu does. Tamiflu causes psychosis in children and is not safe for pregnant women.

–Resveratrol– Resveratrol increased survival rates 40% in flu-infected mice. It lowered the amount of virus in lungs by 98%. Liquid form is preferred. Hold a few tablespoons in the mouth for one minute then swallow. Repeat doses two or three times daily (more often for serious cases) or take one 200 mg. capsule 2-3x daily. Use droppers for babies, young children, or very sick adults.

–N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC)– Capsules can be opened on yogurt or soft food. Suggested doses:
• Adults–1200 mg, twice a day
• Children over 12– 600 mg, twice a day
• Children 40 lbs & up– 300-600 mg, twice a day
• Children under 40 lbs– 150-300 mg, twice a day

The prescription-only inhalers “MucoMyst” or “Mucosil” contain NAC. Clinics and hospitals should stock up on these and administer preventively, before patients show lung involvement. These will save lives!

PLEASE COPY and PASTE this information and get the word out. Doctors DID NOT DO THEIR HOMEWORK in preparation for this ‘pandemic’ or they would have known about the cytokine storm. TELL THEM.

Not another pregnant woman or child has to die of this flu! Make sure your pregnant friends are taking natural antivirals daily. Buy them and give them out and let’s run our own tests and see if this works!

“Clinical study points to cytokine storm in H5N1 cases”(applies to H1N1 also) http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/sep1106storm.html

November 13, 2009 at 9:58 am
(362) Amanda says:

To those saying vaccines cause autism you are wrong. There has been no evidence to prove that. Vaccines come with the risk of causing a fever. That fever can aggreviate something that is already present in the brain. So they may cause the fever that leads to it everyone gets a fever at somepoint. So if it does not come from the vaccine thenit will come from somewhere. And if you look at the percentage of people this happens to and the deathrates of the illness the risks also outway the benefits. I also work with people who are autistic. They can still have happy meaningful lives. It is not a devestating disease. I would welcome an autistic child into my family just as much as I would a “normal” child.

November 13, 2009 at 9:59 am
(363) Beth says:

According to media–
4000 people have died from the 22 million who caught the H1N1 flu. Isn’t that an extremely low death rate of .0005%?

November 13, 2009 at 10:23 am
(364) Beth says:

CDC Chief Dr. Gerberding admits vaccines trigger autism on CNN:


Dr. DeMio, like many medical doctors, was not aware of the problems with vaccines until vaccines injured his own child:

November 13, 2009 at 10:47 am
(365) estrada says:

I am scard now reading all this, i got the shot like two weeks ago, n i am hoping everything will be okay! i am so far doing well, i hope the baby is doing okay..another thing is my son who is 20 months is on the waiting list to get the h1n1 n now i’m scard to be giving him it…he will pry just get the flu shot not the h1n1 now, i should of thought before i even got it, n looked into it better, i just didnt have time to think cuz my doc says its a must do so that i dont get sick, and i just thought “i dont wanna be that sick prego” so i got it, now that its on my mind all the time that if my baby is ok….I am sorry for the lost of the babies ladies, my heart goes out to all of you!

November 13, 2009 at 11:37 am
(366) squidgy says:

I am sorry for the losses as experienced by you all. Perhaps we could put our egos to the side and just focus on the posts from the actual pregnant women who had have the vaccine shot or are thinking about it. Most of those who are posting on here are not even pregnant, yet are consuming the whole page, making it difficult for the women seeking the advice and checking up on reactions.

Much love

November 13, 2009 at 11:46 am
(367) Ladylove says:

There IS proof of vaccine injury causing Autism, I also work first hand with Autism and have an autistic adult who lives with me. I agree with you, I would absolutely welcome an autistic child into my family just as I would ANY child. But if it’s preventable, wouldn’t you choose to prevent it?
Autism has a large spectrum, so no autistic person is the same. There are incredible autistic savants out there (Temple Grandin has written many books that are absolutely enthralling!) but that isn’t to be expected with every case. The individual who lives with me is incredible and lives a great life!! But I have often wondered what life would have been like had things been different…. There are many mothers out there who have researched autism and are thinking the same thing now. I also work with individuals with Cerebral Palsy and down’s syndrome. I know first hand how developmental disabilities can effect people/families/society.
Do the research, there is incredible evidence available about vaccine injury and autism.
In fact, check out this link please:


It’s quite lengthy, but that’s because there is SO much information connecting vaccines to autism.

November 13, 2009 at 12:13 pm
(368) qwerty says:

Amanda, … here is proof:

November 13, 2009 at 12:24 pm
(369) Anon says:

I mean no offence, but i think some of the comments made are fake.

November 13, 2009 at 12:42 pm
(370) Anastasia says:

To RN:

I never said that the vaccines were definitively the problem. Once again, we have no proof that it wasn’t food she was eating but I doubt it was the work she was doing as a pencil pusher. However, what I do know, is that she got a ton of vaccines and then right after the Anthrax shot she started having problems in her hip. Then it grew into full-blown diagnosed fibromyalgia. Sure, it could be a coincidence, just like all these poor women miscarrying within days and sometimes hours of getting the H1N1 vaccine could be a coincidence.

What I’ve been saying from the beginning is that when there are this many “coincidences” we should be asking ourselves “Are they really coincidences?”. Not only that but calling it a “fluke” and just automatically saying that there’s no way it could be the vaccine is irresponsible.

You seem to want to keep singling me out and yet you won’t refute what I’m saying.

All I’ve been saying from the beginning is that to disregard the concerns of these women as a “fluke” is irresponsible. Someone should be looking into this but why would they? Even if it is proven that the vaccine caused the miscarriages there is no one to pay because they’ve been protected against liability. No one is going to try to prove this because there’s no money to be made in it; so these women, who’ve lost their babies, will never get answers and that just makes their pain all the more tragic.

So, stop telling me what I am saying and actually read what I’m really saying. These “coincidences” need to be considered by anyone considering getting vaccinated.

November 13, 2009 at 12:55 pm
(371) Littleones says:

To squidgy,
As a pregnant woman, I am grateful to have all this information and have appreciated every posting here.

November 13, 2009 at 1:26 pm
(372) Anastasia says:

To Amanda:

This website isn’t about vaccines and autism, it’s about the flu vaccine and a possible link to miscarriages, however, since you mentioned it, there are many, many articles on Lancet.com (a medical journal) linking the MMR vaccine to autism.

Additionally, the diagnosis of autism has increased exponentially since the CDC increased the recommended number of vaccines. All facts that can be proven with a little research.

Consider reading up on it in JAMA, BMJ, Lancet, PubMed, etc.

The facts are there.

November 13, 2009 at 2:03 pm
(373) Beth says:


I understand what you are saying. Makes sense.

But for doctors to continue vaccinating knowing that some of their patients miscarried the very next day or two, reeks of negligence, and I would imagine a medical malpractice attorney could better assess.

If government officials are notified of the many vaccine injuries currently occuring, perhaps the legislation which protects vaccine companies will one day be overturned.”
To repeat what vaccine attorney Alan Phillips stated above:

“If a causal relationship is detemined (between vaccines and miscarriages), we–society–need to run screaming to our state and federal legislators and hold *them* (among others) accountable for this–for allowing administration of fast-track production vaccines to be administered to pregnant women (when the CDC doesn’t recommend vaccines for pregnant women generally due to the lack of data about whether or not they may affect the fetus), for granting vaccine manufacturers freedom from liability, for promoting policies that profit the pharmaceutical industry at our severe expense, etc.

For any medical professional to avoid making an immediate, medical-scientific determination as to the presence or absence of a causal relationship between vaccines and temporally associated miscarriage is immoral beyond words. It should not be tolerated. If you are such a victim, consider reviewing your state’s medical ethical rules, and reporting all doctors involved to their state medical board if you feel that they have violated an ethical rule or obligation.

The above is presented as opinion and for educational purposes only, and is not intended to be, and should not be construed as, legal advice. Those concerned should consult a local attorney….”

The rest is farther above in previous comment #352.
Alan G. Phillips, J.D., Attorney and Counselor at Law
The Vaccine Rights Project
P.O. Box 3473
Chapel Hill, NC 27515-3473

November 13, 2009 at 2:36 pm
(374) Beth says:

It is my hope through all this dialog positive change will occur and less will be injured. Commen Sense- Yes, it was the aid of natural physicians that helped Desiree recover from her vaccine injury. Mainstream medicine ridiculed her. They wrote her off as a coincidence, as they are now doing to these pregnant women. I hope this dialog will propel new legislation which holds vaccine companies accountable for their injuries.

November 13, 2009 at 2:41 pm
(375) Ladylove says:

Common Sense,
It wasn’t the “swine flu vaccine” Desiree Jennings had that injured her. It was the seasonal flu vaccine.
This is the thing, it’s not just the H1N1 vaccine that’s dangerous!! The seasonal flu vaccine has been causing injury for years! The CDC states “we expect the H1N1 vaccine to have a similar safety record as the seasonal flu shot”, which isn’t very reassuring considering how many injuries occur from the seasonal flu vaccine. And the wording (found on the CDC website under FAQ “Will the 2009 H1N1 Vaccines be safe?”) that they have: “we expect” only implies they do not know how safe it is!! But people read this and feel reassured that their government has their best interests in mind. It’s really scary…….
Women are losing their babies… children are filling the ER’s after the shot…. People are experiencing paralysis following their vaccines… But while “they” are still trying to vaccinate as many people as possible, we’re not hearing about it on mainstream media. And in my opinion, mainstream media isn’t research.

November 13, 2009 at 4:53 pm
(376) Aloha9 says:

Dear Sweethearts, Those of you that have lost your babies after being vaccinated, my heart so goes out to you. Those that have not, you’re the lucky ones so far-I truely wish you all the best. We ALL know the perils associated with alcohol consumption during pregnancy (or certainly should)-but mercury?? That’s only one of over 30+ ingredients in this noxious concoction!! The medical profession(& I use the term loosely) in conjunction with the most aggresive media blitz in history, spearheaded by PHARMA, have falsely misled you into thinking that a vaccine will provide you & your unborn child with immunity, without any proper testing at all. This is nothing more than the “Propoganda Machine” in full swing. Lies, lies, lies!! Injecting toxic poison into your body & subsequently your unborn child does NOT provide immunity. The side-effects are vast, not to mention the CDC & WHO, do not give a damn about your pain & suffering. Are any of you familliar with the “Thalidomide” fiasco from’57-’61 & the horrible birth-defects that resulted from expectant mothers taking this “morning sickness” medication that was not properly tested for safety?? Please-do your due diligants-don’t buy their lies. All they are doing is selling you down the river while making an obscene fortune in the process. As a matter of fact, their counting on your ignorance, complacency & fear. Of course this is a personal choice, but Ladies-it’s the FLU. I highly recommend any & all of you read Robert Kennedy Jr’s book “Deadly Immunity”! As a Natural Health Practitioner I am here to tell you the human body’s natural immune system DOES NOT, I repeat DOES NOT improve, enhance or become mobilized by the intrusive practice of vaccination. This “new virus” was engineered & ceated in a lab. Please educate yourselves, investigate the “Baxter Corporation”, pls GOOGLE “Dr. Gary Nulls riviting testimony before a Senate Hearing Commitee”-he explains that ALL vaccines can pose a threat to recipients-including autism!! A strong immune system is your best defense-look after yourself, eat healthy-raw fruits & veggies(I mean it!!) decrease, even eliminate sugar, drink filtered purified water, get sunshine, lots of rest & moderate exercise, wash your hands frequently-you do the math. In parting I’d like to give you all something to think about; In a society so influenced by the medical profession subsequently, heavily medicated by PHARMA, why do you think we are one of the sickest societies on the planet?! I think we could all be in agreement that something is seriously wrong with this system!

November 13, 2009 at 7:27 pm
(377) pan says:


ladies this man is THE world authority on neurological problems and the science of excitotoxins(he discovered tis new branch of science)
dont believe the provaccine doctors,they are MEDICAL MANCHURIAN CANDIDATES=brainwashed.
the vaccine tests are ALL fraudulent in some ways,that is that they are NOT valid.
the WHO,and CDC are liars and fraudelent.

November 13, 2009 at 7:33 pm
(378) pan says:


mp3s on the vaccines this phd gary null is THE authority on vaccines.watch him on you tube.he uses the psychotic vaccine makers OWN data against them.

the real news on te flu(to the left side and down)

November 13, 2009 at 9:43 pm
(379) Tyranny says:

Don’t Take The Swine Flu Jab! So what if government officials and vaccine promoters have financial ties to the vaccine industry. Conflict of interest is OK when it comes to your health right? There’s more mercury in a tuna fish sandwich! Pregnant women shouldn’t eat too much fish, but it’s OK to inject it? Some of these vaccines only contain trace amounts of aborted fetal tissue, animal DNA and formaldehyde and other contaminants. Get off your knees, grow a backbone and just say no. Look up S.666-Biological, Chemical and Radiological Weapons and Countermeasures Act. “We are from the government, we are here to help you and keep you safe.” Have fun at Camp FEMA. Infinite Love is The Only Truth. Nano-technology is here. Influenza vaccine, H5N1/GSK, US 666 Bio-defense Stockpile. Everything is OK, we have Ecoscience! Everything is OK, we are Geo-engineering the environment. Where there is hatred let me sew love! The side-effect of death and paralysis is very rare, so the benefits must out-weigh the risks right? Sid the science kid said, “It’ll help a whole lot.” Check out executive order 13295. 322, “It’s so secret, we can’t talk about it.” Stand Up For Liberty, more than 100 to 1, Baby!

November 14, 2009 at 3:52 am
(380) Pat Rattigan N.D. says:

Variolae Vaccinae – birth of the vaccination fraud

In May 1796, one Edward Jenner, acting upon “…a superstition among the dairymaids of Gloucestershire that a person who had suffered from cowpox would never have smallpox…”(l), injected James Phipps with lymph from a cowpox vesicle on the hand of a dairymaid: in June he injected the boy with smallpox.

“..it was on the strength of this solitary experiment that Jenner had launched his discovery upon the world, claiming that cowpox was a prophylactic against smallpox, while to give some sort of scientific colour to the claim he labelled cowpox with the name ‘Variolae Vaccinae’ (smallpox of the cow) …the picture of the whole of the Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons swallowing the theory of an unqualified country apothecary, based on one totally unreliable experiment, seems scarcely credible.” (2)

However, there was a very good reason for the medics’ rush to embrace the groundless myth and to lavish praise, credit and cash – £30,000 i.e. a large fortune – on the enterprising Jenner. Earlier, the Royal College of Physicians had declared, in an attempt to protect their inoculation from foreign criticism “.. .it is now held by the English in greater esteem and practiced among them more extensively than ever it was before…the college thinks it – to be highly salutary to the human race.” In 1838, however, after the final straw – another fierce outbreak of smallpox due to inoculation – the authorities had, finally, seen enough; the practice was banned under threat of imprisonment in 1840 .
This left the medical deities with severely dented egos and with a valuable source of income curtailed: a situation they were keen to reverse as soon as possible. Jenner’s wheeze provided the opportunity.

“The medical authorities who had solemnly recommended inoculation as beneficial had been compelled to admit that it was spreading smallpox and increasing the number of cases of deaths. Doctors were, therefore, glad to welcome what purported to be a non-infectious process for which so much was claimed…from that time the Government protected vaccination from enquiry and criticism. Failures were not considered and misleading statistics were accepted.”(3)

Jenner’s two original guinea-pigs, Phipps and Jenner’s own son, both died of consumption (tuberculosis) at the ages of 20 and 21. “Consumption follows in the wake of vaccination as sure as effect follows cause”
Dr A Wilder Editor. New York Medical Times and Professor of Pathology.

The smallpox vaccine is produced by shaving the bellies of calves and then making long slashes in the skin, into which are rubbed smallpox cultures. Fever sets in and and the wounds fester: a scab forms over a reservoir of poison as the increasingly sick, immobilised animal is prevented from licking the wound to try to ease the intense suffering.
After six days the calf is bound and strapped to an operating table, the vesicles are clamped and the mixture of skin, flesh, pus, blood and hair is scraped off, mixed, sieved and transferred to containers.
After this potion was injected into the blood of the nation’s children the largest UK epidemic of smallpox ever known began: with a peak of 44,000 deaths in 1871-2 alone. The graph line of smallpox deaths, which would probably have disappeared around 1870, was still there in the 1920s as isolation eventually defeated the medically-created plague.
After the vaccine-induced fiasco, Leicester rejected vaccination and decided to rely on hygiene and sanitation. In 1892-3 Leicester had 19.3 cases of smallpox per 10,000 population : Warrington – 99.2 vaccinated- had 123.3 cases: the Warrington death-rate was over 8 times higher than Leicester. (Wallace: The Wonderful Century, 1898)
Dewsbury also rejected vaccination and, with Leicester had the lowest death rates in the country. .

“I remember Sheffield and its epidemic in 1887-8. No less than 98 per cent of the population had been vaccinated… the public vaccinators had reaped a richer harvest of bonuses for ‘successful vaccination’ than those of any other town and yet they had 7,000 cases of smallpox.
It originated and clung to an insanitary area of 175 acres of cesspits…called The Croft.
The medical profession helplessly called ‘vaccinate’ and ‘re-vaccinate’ – as if the public had not already had enough. At last the flood-gates of heaven were mercifully opened and the bountiful rains accomplished what 56,000 vaccinations had failed to effect…
I call to mind the case of one adult male I interviewed…He was vaccinated in infancy, had smallpox when eight years old and was subsequently re-vaccinated three times. That man died of smallpox…when the official report was published…owing to his having the eruption so badly as to cover his vaccination marks, he was actually declared to be ‘unvaccinated”‘. (4)

In 1903 the USA seized the Phillipines and set up a military dictatorship.
“The first thing the US regime did was to enforce a country-wide vaccination drive. The Phillipinos had been a healthy people, living their simple, happy life out in the tropical woodlands with pure air, clean water, natural foods…Smallpox was almost unknown…
They did not want the shots, but they were rounded up…and herded into the vaccination centres for the shots of poison…the first large epidemic was in 1905…a continuous epidemic…to 1923 when General Wood started suppressing reports to make it appear that he had conquered smallpox and ‘ended the scourge’… In the remote islands…the Phillipinos had a better chance to hide…in the cities the epidemics reached the point of a major disaster.” (5)
After 15 years of intensive vaccination there were 47,000 cases and 16,000 deaths in 1918 alone. (6)
Smallpox was not the only effect of the vaccine campaign -”..in 1918-20…Malaria took 93,000, influenza 91,000, tuberculosis 80,000…dysentery, cholera and typhus together..70,000” (48)
As an added bonus..”there was not one leper in the whole of the Hawaiian Islands before the noble work of Jenner reached them. By the ‘nineties, 10 percent of the natives were lepers.” (48)

To test the effectiveness of natural immunity versus vaccination, the non-vaccinated staff of the naturopathic Kingston Clinic in Edinburgh challenged six doctors to join them in a smallpox isolation unit : the medics had the very good sense not to take up the offer. (7)

The smallpox vaccine disaster preceded the explosion of national disease.
It should have seen an immediate and permanent ban on any and all vaccination but was used as a basis for a multi-billion dollar fraud , with catastrophic effects on global health.

extract –
Blood Poison – vaccine-assault on the species

Pat Rattigan N.D.


November 14, 2009 at 5:16 am
(381) Jonathan J. says:

This is certainly a hot topic.

While my heart is with all the women who have lost their pregnancies or have had stillbirths, all the readers of this very long thread need to realize some very sobering truths about science and statistics…

Simply stating that because 8 of 10 women posted that their pregnancies were lost after the H1N1 shot does NOT mean that the shot is harmful. It means that 8 women who lost their pregnancies at some nonfixed, floating-point-in-time, posted on an internet site. Several of you folks are ASSUMING that the H1N1 is the cause. It may well BE the cause, I am not disputing this, but you cannot simply draw this conclusion from a small pool of data.

If 10 random people posted that they went blind somewhere 3-21 days after drinking a glass of water, does that mean that none of us should drink water? Heck no! It means that a study needs to be made….where are these people? What is their health? What townships did they drink the water from? How many other people have drunk this water? How do they feel?

Only with SERIOUS analytical data-mining and careful study can one then judge whether the water (or vaccine) is at the root of the problem.

I highly suggest that before you jump to conclusions about the H1N1 vaccine, you consider the following questions…

1) What is the normal percentage of miscarriages in the USA as of last year?
2) What is the current precentage of miscarriages? Is it a higher rate, or not? If not, then H1N1 vaccine is probably not a problem.
3) If it is higher, what are the percentages for vaccinated versus the percentage of non-vaccinated?
4) What is the median time one can expect for pregnancy failure due to vaccination? (some women posted less than 3 days. One woman posted less than 24 hours. Another woman posted more than a week had elapsed.) Should we all assume that these wildly disparate times are all due to vaccination, or no?
5) Are there aby other symptoms that these women may share, other than those normally attributed to miscarriages?

As you can see, by looking at the bigger picture, one can see more truth. I do not know the answers to the above questions, I am merely advising againt naive-fearmongering.

Knowledge is power. Assumptions are powerless. Gather the data. Analyze it. find the truth.

Any of you that have taken the vaccine, report to your doctors how you react. Did your pregnancy keep or falter? What were the symptoms? The timeline? Ask your doctors if they are gathering data and sharing it amongst their peers. If not, demand that they do.

For the record, I am not taking the vaccine, as I am not sure of its beneficial effects as well. But I wholly accept that this is because of my ignorance of the facts.

I apologize as well to all of you readers, for I have only read the first 30 posts or so before I felt compelled to reply. If any data or information has come to light prior to my post, please let me know.

November 14, 2009 at 11:05 am
(382) Beth says:

Ladies, do your own research. Surf the net for vaccine injury and vaccine miscarriage.

November 14, 2009 at 11:12 am
(383) Beth says:

Jonathan J.

I agree with you that “knowledge is power.”

Here are volumes of research linking vaccines to: cancer, diabetes, auto-immune disease, multiple scelerosis and other neurological disorders, and many other diseases.


November 14, 2009 at 12:49 pm
(384) Rachel1974 says:

I understand many women are skeptical about having a vaccination during pregnancy, and when something goes wrong and there is a miscarriage, we are going to try and find out why and may be tempted to blame something like a vaccination as the cause. However, as sad as it is, an estimated 15-25 percent of pregnancies end in miscarriage. With this in mind, I would like to propose a few words of caution to over-reacting to the H1N1 vaccination. First of all, the World Health Organization, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control and the Center for Disease Control in the U.S. all put pregnant woman in a high risk category for H1N1 and they all recommend that pregnant woman receive the vaccination. The reason is that pregnant woman are four times more likely to end up seriously ill and hospitalized and are six times more likely to die from H1N1 than other patients. Also, high fevers such as those you may experience with H1n1 may cause a miscarriage or put your baby at a higher risk of birth defects. Here’s something else to chew on, if you come down with H1N1, the docs may have no choice but to put you on Tamiflu, a medication not normally recommended for pregnant women but the best antiviral they have to save people’s lives. Whereas the h1n1 vaccine is formulated close to the normal flu shot which millions of pregnant woman have taken without any documented problems, Tamiflu has no such track record. If you think you can’t come into contact with H1N1, recent CDC reports estimate that 22 million Americans have or have had H1N1 since April.
On a personal note, my family is currently grieving the loss of my sister-in-law’s mother who died of H1N1 after a month long battle that left her with double pneumonia and on a ventilator for a month. She wasn’t pregnant, but was in the high risk category and she would likely still be here if she had had access to the h1n1 vaccine. I myself am pregnant and I received the regular flu shot at four weeks and the H1n1 at 9 weeks and have had no problem. (Baby has a great heartbeat and while others in my office have been sick, I have been healthy.)
Here are some links for more info:

November 14, 2009 at 12:51 pm
(385) Concerned Also says:

Please report your miscarriages to the CDC. They need to know you miscarried after the shot. Otherwise, they are going to say that there is no basis in arguing it causes it. Please report it.

November 14, 2009 at 3:15 pm
(386) Luna says:

There are so many women miscarrying after
their flu shots!!


November 14, 2009 at 3:18 pm
(387) Lisa says:




November 14, 2009 at 6:46 pm
(388) selma says:

i was forced to take vaccine once.
i didn’t know what the big deal was.
i just told my doctor that i already had all the childhood diseases xcept mumps by age 5 and i got mumps at age 12, and that there was no reason for me to take it, it would be a pure waste of the vaccine… then he closed the door and told me that i’m not getting in school or getting a job till i take the vaccines. i asked him to call my mother, she would confirm it. but he wouldn’t here of it, he was asking for the yellow booklet. so i finally cave in and took it….
it’s much later that i found out what all the fuss was about. now, after i learned about vaccines, i wish i didn’t take it.

November 14, 2009 at 6:57 pm
(389) MK says:

Go to theflucase.com, Dr. Carley or some of the other vaccination information sites. The HPV shot is being investigated by Judicial Watch because of its hideous side effects. For goodness sakes, go read about vaccination before you endanger your life, your fertility and the life of your unborn child.

My father was an OB/GYN (he’s retired). I grew up thinking that vaccination worked until my dog got Parvo AFTER shots and then I began to wonder. Since April 2009, I have researched and confirmed my worst fears. Vaccines make pharmaceutical companies wealthy and they don’t do anything for the people who get them. 80 percent of the children who get sick from childhood diseases were actually vaccinated for those diseases. I am sorry…what don’t people understand about these figures?

We vaccinate today more than we ever have in the past and our children are SICKER. There are epidemics of autism, asthma, ADD and ADHD. Guess where these diseases are coming from? Vaccinations. There are studies that prove that the Hepatitis vaccine causes DIABETES. These studies have been repeated in several countries so it is clear that the diabetes is not cultural, genetic or lifestyle related…it is from the damn vaccine.

If you don’t believe me, do your own research…and by research, I mean use the library, read books and get the facts. Go to the VAERs database (it is the vaccine reaction database which was only created a few years ago…very little money has gone into vaccine safety studies BECAUSE WHEN IT DOES, THESE STUDIES REFLECT THE POOR OUTCOMES AND ISSUES THAT I HAVE MENTIONED IN THIS POST.

Think about what I am stating here. One, there have been few studies of vaccination safety. Two, the studies don’t prove that vaccines are safe or that they work. Three, children who are vaccinated GENERALLY GET SICK ANYWAY (that is what 80 percent means) Four, we began vaccinating heavily in 1983 (under legislation proposed by Bush Sr.) and from that time, there has been a steady increase in the number of asthma, ADD, ADHD and autism cases among children. Five, the HPV virus has terrible side effects (and I forgot to mention, one of the women who worked on it said that it will not prevent cervical cancer because it addresses the forms of HPV that don’t cause cancer). Six, the VAERs database is filled with horrible stories of illness caused by vaccines, but what is so sad about this is that the VAERs database was only begun a few years ago.

I could go on, but frankly, I think that those of you who are concerned about your unborn baby’s health should follow my father’s long-standing advice: Don’t take medicine while you are pregnant unless it is under a doctor’s care and absolutley necessary. Most pregnant women have robust immune systems and don’t need vaccines to resist the swine flu.

BESIDES AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT, swine flu deaths were dropping. Once the vaccination campaigns started, those deaths began to explode. What does this tell you?


November 14, 2009 at 7:59 pm
(390) Beth says:

People are dying of the flu with or without the vaccine, I’m noticing.

November 14, 2009 at 9:39 pm
(391) Robane says:

For anyone who thinks that autism is not caused by vaccines watch this video of Robert F Kennedy Jr. on Sarborough Nation (MSNBC) At about 5:50 into the interview he blows the lid off the whole cover up. It is absolute criminal what big pharma and our government has done to our children. Link below


November 14, 2009 at 11:31 pm
(392) DM says:

Get your vitamin D, particularly during the winter season, stay away from doctors (they call it medical ‘practice’ for a reason) and stop listening to the media (number 1 cheerleader for big pharm) and all will be OK.

November 15, 2009 at 12:56 am
(393) Don't poison your unborn babies and kids! says:

To Amanda 362: I find your comment regarding autism totally off base. There is no such thing as a genetic epidemic! I have 2 autistic children who were normal, advanced infants. My husband and I have no history of autism or neurological problems in either of our families. Before the 80′s autism was 1/ 10,000. Now it is recently reported as 1/62.

Yes our children are very loved and special. In fact our son has been reading since he was 2 and at 4 he can read fluently and understand every word he reads. He can spell unprompted using plastic letters. He can do simple math and he has a photographic memory. Yet he has difficulty asking for a glass of water, can’t peddle a bike, screams for hours especially if there is noise from different sources, bangs the doors open and closed 1000 times in a row and many other annoying behaviors that frankly will make his life with others very difficult as he grows older unless we find relief in therapy or interventions. Yes, he is a special, loved child BUT I’d far rather not have all the drawbacks and hardships of autism for him and for our family. Autism is devastating for families.

By the way, all this happened to my kids because of vaccines. Sure the vaccines may have triggered a fever which triggered a predisposition- that means the vaccine caused it. If your theory were true that the accident was waiting to happen and would have been caused by some other incident, then it would follow that the autism cases before the 80′s would have been the same as today. They are not….there is no such thing as a genetic epidemic. Stop listening to the CDC, the pharmaceuticals, the AMA and all the other charlatans that gain from the vaccine assembly line. Evidence against vaccines abounds and has been reported and railed against since ever vaccines began. There are huge interests that suppress this information, marginalize those who give evidence against vaccines and warn others. I wish I had followed my gut instinct before I let the pediatrician bully me into poisoning my own children with vaccines.

November 15, 2009 at 5:26 am
(394) MilitiaRadio says:

jmstork, I wonder what type of damage your baby may have in the future? Do you believe taking a shot is good? I have two sons that were healthy happy boys, they were energenic. One got his MMR and within 5 minutes his eyes rolled into the back of his head, and had seisures. Today he is 18 years old and is autistic. My second son did about the same thing. I have 3 other children, and I won’t let the Medical profession touch. They are very healthy and happy. DON’T TRUST THESE PEOPLE. Do a internet search for EUGENICS, and you will find they (global elite) want you and your baby dead. Do the research, before you hurt your baby!!!!!!!!!!!! Join us at MilitiaRadio, and find out what they are really up to!!!!!!!!!!

November 15, 2009 at 9:09 am
(395) sandy says:

I live in Toronto, Canada and was 4 1/2 wks pregnant when I took the non-adjuvanated vaccine offered to pregnant women here on Tues Nov 10. On Wednesday I started spotting and on Thursday I started bleeding, and it hasn’t stopped. I know in my heart that the vaccine had to do with my loss and I regret getting the shot. I have had two full term pregnancies with no complications so I was shocked to go through this horrible experience. I am interested to know if anyone else in Canada is going through the same.

November 15, 2009 at 10:28 am
(396) Beth says:

To Jonathan J,

Assumptions are powerless, you say, however there are countless reports of doctors “assuming” an individual has swine flu without doing the actual test.

There are countless reports of doctors assuming one has died of swine flu when in fact there were underlying health issues, and even death from other causes.

Additionally, there are more than 8 miscarriges on this page which you would have know had you read it and not made an assumption. More miscarriages are listed on other sites if you surf vaccine miscarriages.

You also state *no hard data* exists to link miscarriages to vaccine. This *hard data* is pouring in daily. It is the fault of the medical community for not compiling it, it would seem. This missing *hard data* you speak of is perhaps the fault of the FDA for not testing this vaccine properly before rushing to market.

The vaccine labels state not tested on pregnant women or unsafe for pregnant women or unknown if safe on pregnant women. Given that fact, it seems safe to assume that the vaccine is the cause of most current vaccine miscarriages.

It is immoral to *not* assume the vaccine is causing miscarriages when so many are occuring a day or two after vaccination, with or without adjuvants.

For the medical community to not halt this fast-track vaccine program in order to gather more *hard data* is unethical beyond words.

Medical malpractice attorneys should be investigating doctors who continue to vaccinate after seeing miscarriages the day or two after vaccine.

I’ve read many reports that the FDA is currently being sued for not having the *hard data” you mentioned.

November 15, 2009 at 11:52 am
(397) Ladylove says:

From the FDA, here is the package insert for the vaccine given to Americans.
In this insert, this is what it states for PREGNANT women:
“8.1 Pregnancy
Pregnancy Category C: Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted
with Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or FLUVIRIN. It is also not known
whether Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or FLUVIRIN can cause fetal
harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity.
Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine should be given to a pregnant woman
only if clearly needed. ”
No testing has been done, it is NOT known if the vaccine will cause fetal harm or effect reproductive capacity and the “vaccine should be given to pregnant women only if clearly needed”.
This is found on Pg 12 @ 8.1

Ladies, I am so sorry for your losses….

November 15, 2009 at 1:02 pm
(398) Beth says:

Everyone who does not understand the danger of vaccines, should watch Robert F. Kennedy’s speech:

November 15, 2009 at 5:37 pm
(399) bev says:

398 posts about women miscarrying their babies after receiving the H1N1 vaccine!!! Horrendous!!! How many more deaths are we going to allow to happen?? Go to your local newspapers, radio stations, tv stations and tell your stories so that these murders will stop.
How many women have lost their babies after the vaccine? Please e-mail me and I will go to the press/radio/tv. This travesty needs to be stopped and possibly prevent more miscarriages. I am a mother of 4 and grandmother of 1. I have told everyone I know not to get the vaccine or any vaccine for that matter. Please look into vaccinations before you blindly give them to your babies and children. thinktwice.com, Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, Dr. Rebecca Carley sites are very informative.

November 15, 2009 at 10:36 pm
(400) qwerty says:

To all Pregnant WOMEN PLEASE WATCH!!!!

November 15, 2009 at 10:46 pm
(401) Laurie Sasser says:


I was 13 weeks pregnant and had the H1N1 vaccine on October 26th and miscarried early morning of October 29th. To those of you who believe that you are doing the right thing by getting the vaccine you need to read this. It is the link from the Novartis (manufacturer of the H1N1 vaccine) website. I just read it tonight. I filed the report with Vaers and I’m also applying for compensation from this vaccine. I have had a horrible and horrific experience. I not only lost my baby but almost lost my own life. Here is the link to the website. http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM182242.pdf and here’s what it says under pregnancy “8.1 Pregnancy
Pregnancy Category C: Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or FLUVIRIN. It is also not known whether Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or FLUVIRIN can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity. Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed.” It is only cleared for children over the age of 4 years and a fetus is not over the age of 4 years. I can’t warn you enough to please not take this vaccine. If you are healthy then please do everything you can not to take this vaccine. It causes more problems than just losing your baby. My other two children and my husband almost lost me and I’m still not out of the woods yet.

November 16, 2009 at 12:27 am
(402) AnotherMom says:

My heart goes out to the people who have lost the life that was once growing inside you. My family physician does NOT recommend the H1N1 vaccine for his patients nor his staff nor his family. Furthermore, he does NOT endorse the seasonal flu vaccine either. He is NOT a quack doctor and YES he is an MD. It a decision only you can make. Before taking a shot don’t be afraid to ask for the insert listing all ingredients and lab results. It’s your right to be informed. You can use the internet to decipher any information on the insert that you might not understand. Perhaps this can help you to make an informed decision. I hope that you are all well, your families are well and you live happy and healthy lives.

November 16, 2009 at 8:16 am
(403) sheddie says:

Thank you everyone for your passion and your comments they have helped me to compile what I hope will be an objective if slightly biased list of reasons why my daughter should not have the swine flu jab. She’s read all the NHS stuff which is also biased so I make no apologies there.

Pandemrix is the main vaccine being offered here in the UK and has Thimerosal and Squalene in it amongst other toxins. It has taken me hours to put it together but I am now more convinced than ever that the vaccination is dangerous and unnecessary. Our immune systems are our best defence. I am convinced that we need to eat well keep healthy, and take responsibility for your own wellbeing because we can’t rely on official advice anymore.

I feel so sorry for everyone who has lost babies, I have had 3 miscarriages, many years ago, and so know how you feel; it was devastating, and yes you do try to find reasons and will grasp a straws but for heavens sake loosing a baby soon after having the vaccination………..please, it is way too much of a coincidence!

Oh course the Dr’s are going to deny it – they would lose their jobs if they admitted anything.

And thank you for the link to Robert Kennedy interview the PDF file he mentions on his website is very interesting reading


Keep reporting all your symptoms it’s the only way we are going to bring change to this crazy world.

November 16, 2009 at 10:45 am
(404) MomaFrank says:

I am currently 9 weeks pregnant. I have received both flu vaccines this season (seasonal & H1N1). Seasonal at 3 days and H1N1 at 6 weeks pregnant. No problems and everything seems to be okay.

We made our informed decision based upon the harsh statistics that 33% of all pregnant woment that contract the virus die. 33% mortality is pretty high and we decided as a family my life was important. I have a husband and child and want to be here for them.

Informed decisions are tough. My advice is to read (credible websites) and base your decision on what you are comfortable with. You have to live with the outcome of your decision whether you receive the vaccine or not. Unfortunately there is no proof 100% to say that the misscarriages are caused by the vaccine & there is no proof on the other side that would say it was not the vaccine.

Good luck to you as you make an informed decision. My heart goes out to anyone that has had a miscarriage.

November 16, 2009 at 10:57 am
(405) Questioning says:

I’m very happy that you are well.
I’m curious, where did you get the statistic that 33% of women who get the H1N1 die? How many women does that actually represent, how does that compare to the seasonal flu, and what proportion is that of the total population?
33% is a scary number but what is it based on, is what I’m wondering?

I wish we had a statistic for the percentage of pregnant getting the vaccine who then miscarry.

November 16, 2009 at 11:26 am
(406) Barb says:

Hope this link works!
The Healthy Home Economist: Swine Flu Vaccine Must be AVOIDED by Pregnant Women
Source: thehealthyhomeeconomist.blogspot.com

November 16, 2009 at 12:07 pm
(407) Demand2Know.org says:

I received the seasonal flu shot last October, 2008 while pregnant after being guilt-tripped by my midwife…I now have severe rheumatoid arthritis and my son was born with inexplicable pneumonia. I have filed a vaccine injury claim. I HD one other flu shot…I had never been so sick in my life! I swore I would never have another. I would much rather have risked the flu. I am now screwed for life. All I can do is hope to God that only I am sick and that my son has no other negative effects. Those vaccines are loaded with crap! If Thwy were soil-they would tent it and call it a Superfund site. Hideous. Demand2Know.
I feel blessed to have my son near me. I am so truly sorry that so many of you experienced such horrific loss.

November 16, 2009 at 2:27 pm
(408) Questioning says:

Demand2Know – have you seen a homeopath? they have things for detoxifying the system. There are people I know who have take the flu shot but see a homeopath right away to get rid of its toxins. Same thing for regular vaccines with kiddies. So maybe check with a homeopath for detox remedies. You don’t have to be “screwed for life”.

November 16, 2009 at 4:12 pm
(409) CGR says:

Please, please, PLEASE report miscarriages to the VAERS system which is the system that tracks adverse effects. Doctors will say ANY reaction is a coincidence, no matter what. Here is where to report so this can be tracked and hopefully get some media attention:


November 16, 2009 at 4:12 pm
(410) JCanada says:

I’m living in Portugal and just yesterday there was news about how a woman here miscarried at 34 weeks 3 days after the H1N1 vaccine. The doctors immediately said there is no link and that miscarriages happen everyday. Miscarriages at 34 weeks do NOT happen everyday. They said if there was a connection it would be the first in the world – but it is obviously not the first.

November 16, 2009 at 4:15 pm
(411) THERESA FARRIS says:

I had an ultrasound at 14 weeks on Oct 29th 2009 reporting all was well with myself and the baby. On that same day I received both the flu shot and the H1N1 shot. Two weeks later I went for a routine check up where the doctor could not find the heartbeat. I had another ultrasound showing no heartbeat or activity. After reveiwing the scan my OB said the baby died 12 days prior which would have been two days after the shot was administered. On Friday the 13th 2009 I had a DNC. I asked my doctor if that shot could’ve played a role in this “missed miscarriage”. He said absolutely not.I find it hard to believe that all of these women have had coincidental miscarriages just days or even hours after the vaccine was given. Further I fear that if we try again, given that I have the vaccine in my system still, it may happen again. There is NO research for that either!!!! Please everyone keep sharing your stories. My heart and paryers go out to all of you mourning the loss of your children. God bless.

November 16, 2009 at 4:39 pm
(412) Ladylove says:

There is a lot of information out there that suggests one of the ingredients in the vaccine- Polysorbate 80 is a leading cause to sterility. (cited from http://preventdisease.com/news/09/103009_vaccine_sterility_immunotoxicity_neurotoxicity.shtml )
Someone pointed this out to me; A lot of the “conspiracy theorists” out there are screaming about population control being the main reason for this vaccine, because it can be so deadly. But what if those conspiracy theorists aren’t completely off track? What if the pregnant women, children, teens and adults who receive the vaccine become sterile? That would certainly control population…. I really REALLY hope that’s not the case, but when I did the research into what the vaccine ingredients are, I can’t help but wonder….

November 16, 2009 at 4:44 pm
(413) Ladylove says:

Here’s some more information about Polysorbate 80:
“Gajdova M, Jakubovsky J, Valky J.Delayed effects of neonatal exposure to Tween 80 on female reproductive organs in rats. Food Chem Toxicol. 1993 Mar;31(3):183-90. PMID: 8473002.

Baby female rats were injected with polysorbate 80 at days 4-7 after birth. It accelerated the maturing of the rats and caused changes to the vagina and womb lining, hormonal changes, ovary deformities and degenerative follicles.

According to the World Intellectual Property Organization, which is part of the United Nations, scientists from the organization are developing vaccines specifically to damage fertility as a method of contraception. A suggested ingredient for the vaccine is tween 80 (polysorbate 80):

“In a preferred embodiment the vaccine comprises oil, preferably a biodegradable oil such as squalene oil. Typically, the vaccine is prepared using an adjuvant concentrate which contains lecithin in squalene oil. The aqueous solution glycoprotein is typically a phosphate-buffered saline (PBS) solution, and additionally preferably contains Tween 80.”

Read more: http://infertility.suite101.com/article.cfm/polysorbate_80_causes_infertility#ixzz0X3rAXUOA

November 16, 2009 at 7:36 pm
(414) PBMom says:

To those whose babies have died, my greatest sympathies to you. My baby died in utero (not vaccine related) at 20 weeks; it’s not something you “get over.”

To those who chose the vaccine, I would be most interested in seeing 5 years from now if your children develop autism spectrum disorders since the H1N1 and flu shots both contain thimerosal, a neurotoxin. Of course it also contains other neurotoxins. It contains polysorbate 80, which yes, is found in some of our food, but testing has confirmed it to cause infertility and cancer in mice. For people outside the US, your shots contain an adjuvant that has squalene in it (the US has outlawed this). It causes autoimmune disorders. I would be interested if later in life your children go on to develop lupus.

If they tell you not to take any medications during pregnancy, it just surprises me that they push this vaccine, the fillers of which most of you were not told about when you were injected which means you never gaved 100% fully informed consent (i.e., did your doctor say to you, “The shot contains polysorbate 80 which has been shown to cause infertility and cancer in mice and squalene has been suspected to cause lupus and other autoimmune disorders including, in some research, Gulf War Syndrome, but I think these risks are minimal and I still recommend it.” If they said that to you, then you gave informed consent. If you have no idea what I am talking about, you never did. Vaccines are being promoted because pharmaceutical companies are shielded from prosecution. And contrary to media reports, people with kids with autism have won in Vaccine Court. My endocrinologist recommended a vitamin D test to see what my levels were and they were actually low. She said it would explain why I was getting sick all the time. I was put on a prescription vitamin D for 6 weeks and was told to take 2000 IU every day. I started this about July/August, and this October was the first month I didn’t get sick. There was a day or so when I thought I was going to get sick and didn’t. This is a huge contrast to being out of work for a week for a flu-like illness in August that had me flat on my back and the same in August for a different flu-like illness for the same duration. The test is easy It takes longer than usual for regular blood work to come back, but I think it is so worth it. So many of us have deficiencies that we don’t know about.

November 16, 2009 at 8:25 pm
(415) Remy says:

So sorry for you ladies who have suffered a loss.

To the ladies who got the shot and have had no problems, I would be praying day and night that your unborn baby does not suffer consequences of you ingesting this vaccine. It isn’t OK for a baby under 6 month of age, so what in the world makes you think it is OK for a fetus!? Babies (born or unborn) and vaccines DO NOT MIX!

November 16, 2009 at 9:13 pm
(416) Rachie says:

I’m so sorry for all those who’ve suffered the loss of their precious babies. I wanted to bring to light the fact that especially if there is mercury (Thimerasol – sorry spelling!) in the vaccine it is known to react with Aluminum (also in the vaccine) and bind to testosterone. This may be why while the current figure I believe is 1 in 150 or so children currently being diagnosed with Autism – 1 in 56 American BOYS are diagnosed as being on the Autism spectrum. It may also be causing the miscarriage of baby boys who are already more likely to be miscarried naturally. Those who have been fortunate to have babies survive the vaccine keep in mind that there are MANY factors (genetics, the strength of the baby, sex of baby, REACTION of MOM’S IMMUNE SYSTEM – which is why some people who get the flu miscarry – but this vaccine apparently has more adjuvants which can cause a STRONG IMMUNE RESPONSE) here and you may have just gotten “lucky” – then again maybe your child will be diagnosed on the Autism spectrum or ADHD – though of course I hope not and would not wish it on any child or their parents.

November 16, 2009 at 9:23 pm
(417) Ladylove says:

The vaccine is not safe for anyone. Not safe for babies, fetus’, children older than six months, or adults.
There are many adults who are being diagnosed with Guillain-Barre syndrome and other neurological complications due to vaccines. Please read the information and links people have provided here.

November 16, 2009 at 10:21 pm
(418) A girl says:

I know someone who got the vaccine and then miscarried in her 2nd trimester.

November 16, 2009 at 10:45 pm
(419) Liz says:

To Dani12weeks:
I’m so glad that your pregnancy is going well. Vaccines only affect some people adversely just like any other harmful thing on the planet. Thank God! Just wanted to say that there are many flu vaccines (regular and H1N1) that do absolutely contain thimerosal and mercury and many doctors who give these. Please don’t assume that doctors would not give vaccines w/ thimerosal. I do believe in vaccinating w/ caution and lots of research, however, many of us aren’t lucky to be able to find thimerosal-free vaccines. Be careful, everyone, and don’t be afraid to ask your doctor specific questions.

November 16, 2009 at 10:56 pm
(420) Lotus Lady says:

To suggest that these are normal miscarriages and pre-term labor is to suggest that the vaccines have no effect on the immune system. They are designed to have an effect on the immune system. Who is to say that sometimes it is a seriously and immediate negative effect. They don’t test for this, so why would they say anything other than it is just coincidence.

For people who don’t get vaccinated, there are many options to prevent influenza and there is always homeopathy if you do get sick. Not getting vaccinated does not equal doing nothing. Cut down on sugar intake, don’t drink alcohol, get enough sleep, lose weight, quit smoking, exercise, take Vitamin D3, etc.

November 17, 2009 at 1:04 am
(421) Cat22 says:

I was nearly 7 months pregnant with twins (a boy and a girl) when I was essentially guilt-tripped by my OB/GYN into getting a flu shot. My pregnancy was absolutely perfect up until that point and both babies were thriving. Within hours after that flu shot, I lost my boy and my girl went into fetal distress. My doctor reported this to VAERS and he was utterly horrified. My daughter did survive, but at what price? She is brain damaged and severely autistic. I had her baby teeth analyzed (since they develop in utero), and they contained extremely high levels of mercury. That flu shot contained the maximum dose of mercury, and it was given to pregnant women! I wish I’d known then what I know now. And mercury is just the tip of the iceberg. There are so many toxic ingredients in these shots.

November 17, 2009 at 1:13 am
(422) Cat22 says:

Also, my aunt got a Swine Flu shot in 1976 and she developed Guillain-Barre Syndrome and has been paralyzed ever since. She has not gotten a single flu shot in over 30 years after that, despite all the warnings that she is in a “high-risk group”, and never gets the flu. Go figure.

November 17, 2009 at 4:14 am
(423) Stephanie says:

Sorry for my english… when I was pregnant the three times in my life, I never had the Idea to give stress to my immunsystem! To give a vaccination means total stress. During the pregnancy, the female body has a hard job to accpet the strange cell`s of the 50% male`s genetic. This means an alert to the Immunsystem, what has to be acepted and what has to be fight against. A vaccination with adjuvanses like Squalen, what only has the job to aktivate the lymphocytes against a strange antigen.
This had been enveloped for the Immunsystem of old people, who no no aktive Thymus anymore! The Immunsystem of babies, kids, teenagers, youndg growenups and pregnant women is in higher aktivity! it doesn´t need any help to work more!

November 17, 2009 at 8:37 am
(424) Allison says:

I received the H1N1 vaccine during the 1st trimester and had no issues.

November 17, 2009 at 9:18 am
(425) Jack says:

Vaccination during pregnancy is mandatory to abortion.

Vaccination leads to a rejection of the fetus, because the boost of the TH1 immune response.

That are immunology basics for a decade.

All pregnant women, which get the vaccine will loose their babys.

This is a new Contagan!

November 17, 2009 at 9:46 am
(426) Keyser Söze says:

Very saddened to read the many individual accounts, all of which are a few words that briefly account for a personal loss with all the awful implications for those involved.

My personal thoughts and prayers go out to all involved, and I hope that through your bravery in writing about what has happened, that there are some, maybe many, who read your account and choose not to proceed with having this vaccination, and so avoid being part of this huge “experiment”

November 17, 2009 at 9:57 am
(427) nadine says:

Please watch. I found the link at


November 17, 2009 at 10:21 am
(428) nadine says:
November 17, 2009 at 11:25 am
(429) David says:

My wife and I are being pressured into getting the H1N1 from most everyone. We resisted and had a mixture of relief and fear. Are we doing the right thing by not having the vaccine. Are we irresponsible people? Are we overly concerned? Who the heck knows? We will up our vitamin D levels. Get some more sun. Use Aroma phytoncide through a aire diffuser and thank those who have the courage to post today, wash our hands. We will NOT get the shot!

November 17, 2009 at 1:55 pm
(430) Courtney says:

I’m pregnant. I was initially 100% against getting the vax because of lack of testing, then I decided that H1N1 sounded scarier than the possible vax risks, but after doing some research, along with reading the 430 posts here, I don’t believe I’ll be getting it.

How do “hard facts and evidence” become scientifically based? Because people report their symptoms, side effects, etc.. and then it is brought to light, and studied, right?

Well obviously, there is as of yet, no “hard evidence” that this vax is causing miscarriages because the doctors are not taking it seriously, and because the vax is so new that people are just now experiencing it. If they haven’t had time to study the safety of this vaccine, how does anyone expect that they’ve had time to study the rate of miscarriage in relation to the vaccine? All we have to go on right now, are people’s first hand “coincidences”.

And what I always wonder is, why are people who choose not to readily believe everything the government says, automatically conspiracy theorists?

November 17, 2009 at 3:29 pm
(431) Ella says:

Is it any surprise that many of the people posting on a miscarriage board have had miscarriages? This is not an accurate model of the general population or the vaccinated population.

But this board did not begin after the H1N1 vax was released. Something like 15% of pregnancies end in miscarriage. Some women have warning, but for many more, they start bleeding and miscarrying suddenly without any idea that something was wrong. This is not going to stop happening just because we have something else to worry about. Give thousands of women a sugar pill one day, and sadly you can expect that a number of them will lose their babies that night. Same with H1N1, sometimes the shot and the loss will coincide, just as sometimes the loss can occur the day before the shot was to have been given (just as likely as the day after), but correlation does not show causation. Only looking at the numbers after the fact and seeing if there are more misscariages in the vaccinated group will let us know if something is going on.

A couple other things I noticed…

About squalene: Canada and Europe has it in the vax, the US does NOT. It has been safely used in Europe for over a decade. It was never in the Anthrax vaccine, that is a wild and baseless conspiracy theory. There is no link to Gulf War syndrome, and note that we don’t see Gulf War syndrome in European civilians, where, as I noted before, squalene has been used for over a decade.

As for Mercole, if you dig around his site he has pages where he says HIV is a harmless virus, a page where he claims all cancer is caused by fungus and can be cured quicky and easily baking soda injections, and pages where he tries to convince you that the most practical means of getting enough vitamin D is to buy his special tanning bed ($1000 to $2000 depending on the model) and also you should buy his many other overpriced supplements, along with a ton of other insane drivel. The man is a quack who is in it for your money.

November 17, 2009 at 9:09 pm
(432) abstractduk says:

ok-swine flu vaccine is dangerous, hasnt passed any serious testing and has caused damage of varying distinction and will possibly recombine with other viruses once its enter your blood stream…but consider this . Obama wants to make vaccination mandatory. ..and why wouldnt he when he bought $50,000 of BAXTER stock in 2005!!!! google it!
only only does he want you dead but he wants to profit from it too!! to me that is genocide! this is a crime against humanity!!!

November 18, 2009 at 11:08 am
(433) Natalie says:

I am 31 weeks pregnant and in turmoil over what to do, there is so much contradicting information provided that it is difficult to get a straight answer from anyone. If you read medical/birthing websites they provide you with ‘information’ that is neither consistant or concrete. It seems to be a lot of maybe’s and what if’s, deciding on the health of my baby and myself this simply is not good enough, if they do not know the outcome or the risks they should dimply state that. I am on the verge of deciding not to have the vaccination simply because I can deal with the fact I might get ill if I catch it but not at the cost of my unborn baby. I think the overall problem no one is willing to take responsability and say yes it can harm your unborn child

November 18, 2009 at 4:44 pm
(434) Wow after reading says:

Wow…Pat and Beth, you guys are wild.

November 18, 2009 at 6:14 pm
(435) MaryAnn says:

To the ladies who’ve suffered losses, my heartfelt sympathy goes out to you.

To the folks who assert they know whether adjuvants are added or not — how do you know? Because the CDC says so? Yeah, right and the government never lies, do they? We know there are different vaccines of different strengths. Example: Germany’s army got a different H1N1 vaccine than the general population (who was not too happy when they found out about it). Makes you wonder why.

To anyone considering getting vaccinations: how GROSS! Why on earth would you want to stick that sh!t in your body??

To pregnant women: You can’t take half the medications in the cold/flu aisle of the pharmacy, why would you take a live vaccination?

Big pharma are liars and thieves. Never trust them with your health.

November 18, 2009 at 9:10 pm
(436) markus says:

> Canada and Europe has it in the vax, the US does NOT.
> It has been safely used in Europe for over a decade.

Please read some european media about. In germany, the vaccine with those additions is only handed out to the public. Our government and the Bundeswehr (army) will be vaccinated with a different vax – without those toxines. Odd? Decide yourself.

I’m so sorry for the unborn babies. If you know any pregnant women I think it’s a duty to give the surpressed informations to them.

Pat, in germany it’s called “Bärendienst” what you’ve just done to the pro-vaccination-campaign. So I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart.

November 18, 2009 at 9:51 pm
(437) John says:

To the ladies who’ve suffered losses, my heartfelt sympathy goes out to you.

This was very predictable and I have been warning for the past 6 months against this vaccine. Now, if you are forced against your will to take the vaccine you can still try to avoid the side effects. See :

November 18, 2009 at 10:41 pm
(438) markus says:

Forgotten to mention… I know about 20 dead ‘related’ to H1N1 communicated by the mainstream media over here by now. Seems noone has the balls to say they are dead because of the flu. It always reads like “another man died who was infected” but not like “another victim of the swine flu”. Every victim carrying the virus has had evident diseases before – except one man and one child who died a couple of hours after getting the vax (getting vaccinated while carrying out the infection – wtf?!). Oh and don’t miss the count of deaths related to vaccination in germany: 7.

(Sorry for offtopic but I think those informations should be known.)

P.S. still waiting for the first guy who gets knocked down by bus while carrying the virus. Death on the road or swine flu? “Hey, he was … INFECTED!!!1″

November 19, 2009 at 1:02 am
(439) jmb says:

To Ella

No squalene in Amthrax vaccine ?

You are funny, mon ami !!

Antibodies to Squalene in Recipients of Anthrax Vaccine

Pamela B. Asa1, Russell B. Wilson2 and Robert F. Garry3

Department of Microbiology, Tulane University Medical School,

November 19, 2009 at 2:04 am
(440) miscarriage says:

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